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Old 02-25-2011, 10:40 PM  
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I just want to say, Walker, in Wisconsin, is a tyrant,and the American working people need to stand strong against these attacks. Taking away Police Union rights-------> Police no longer perform their duties (strike)-------> other Union workers become upset and begin to riot-------> No police to stop them and no fire fighters to put out fires because they have halted too--------> Nationl Guard is called in. --------> Worse situation than what was had, millions of dollars in damages and civil/political unrest.

I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying it could happen. Look at Egypt.
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:22 PM  
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Old 02-27-2011, 07:18 PM  
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In this case they are trying to lay the blame on unions, and it's BS!
This Governor had a surplus when he came into office...then he gave out tax breaks...and THEN claims they have a deficit!! What a load of crap...
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Old 02-27-2011, 07:29 PM  
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He just gave tax breaks to corporations supposedly as incentive to bring business to the state. As it turns out, participants are tax exempt for 2 years! I also just read that the firefighters and law enforcement unions are exempt from his union attack. Just the teachers and nurses are affected. I notice that as Walker is so passionate about busting the unions to save the budget, he doesn't address making any sacrafices on his part!
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In this case they are trying to lay the blame on unions, and it's BS!
This Governor had a surplus when he came into office...then he gave out tax breaks...and THEN claims they have a deficit!! What a load of crap...
There is little doubt that taxes matter to businesses, but there is a sharp debate over how much, especially when states must cut services to offset their tax cuts. Spending decisions that disrupt local education, transportation and court systems also matter to companies.

In Florida, Scott has suggested that he can pay for his business and property tax cuts by finding efficiencies in state government. In a videotaped interview with The Wall Street Journal, Scott pointed to the consolidation of state agencies ? and his own decision to forgo the state plane that previous governors have used ? as key money savers. ?You add it up, it adds up to pretty big dollars,? Scott said.

But budget analysts say such moves will be nowhere near enough to patch Florida?s budget gap, let alone pay for a $2 billion tax cut for businesses and property owners. Democrats warn that spending cuts of the magnitude needed to compensate for Scott?s tax cut will decimate schools and other services, and even Republicans who control the state legislature have given the plan an unusually cool reception, raising doubts about whether it will ever become law.

Meanwhile, there is also broad skepticism among many economists over what businesses in Florida and elsewhere will do with the money they receive from any major state-level tax cuts.

Major firms with locations around the country could easily take the dividend from one state?s tax cut and invest it somewhere else. Meanwhile, corporate profits are surging and the stock market is booming, but national unemployment remains at 9 percent. That suggests that the money now sitting in companies? pockets is not going toward hiring new workers or ramping up production.

Padgitt, of the Tax Foundation, believes that firms are waiting for the economic recovery to begin in earnest and ?to be at a place where they can invest.? He says state tax cuts will help them get there. But others argue that national economic patterns play far more of a role than state-level tax rates.

?State tax policy is not what caused 10 years of economic collapse in the state of Michigan,? says Gary Olson, the recently retired director of the Michigan Senate Fiscal Office. ?When you go from domestic auto sales of 10 million units to 4.3 million units in the course of about a decade, that?s the problem in the state.?

The Ohio experiment

According to the Center on Budget Policy and Priorities, a Washington, D.C., think tank that is critical of broad tax-cut plans, only Ohio has done what Scott is proposing to do in Florida ? completely phase out its corporate income tax. That makes Ohio a prime test case for other states seeking to cut or abolish business taxes in the hopes of spurring growth.

Michael Mazerov, a CBPP economist, found in a September study that ?despite a more than $1 billion annual reduction in business taxes, Ohio?s shares of national income, employment and investment have all fallen slightly since 2005,? when the phaseout of the state?s corporate income tax began.

Ohio tax officials concede that the plan has not produced a windfall of new business activity. But they are quick to point out that they never expected one, predicting beforehand that eliminating the corporate income tax would amount to a net loss in revenue for the state, at least in the short term.

?In 2005, we were in the midst of an (economic) expansion, and part of the feeling was, ?We can afford to do this,? ? says Fred Church, deputy director of policy at the Ohio Department of Taxation and a veteran of the agency. Church also notes that the final year of the five-year phaseout was just two years ago, while most businesses were still struggling because of the recession. ?Maybe this is going to be a different story,? he says, ?if you look three or four years down the road from now.?
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:50 PM  
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Unions? No..................
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don't blame unions

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"Let's think about Zenith (Corporation) in Springfield. This was a fine manufacturing plant with many good employees working there. Management discovered they could move their operation to Mexico and save millions of dollars in their labor rates, thus improving the bottom line for the company and their stockholders. Meanwhile, the union stood by, steadfast and complained, but offered little to match the labor rates of the Mexicans. As a result, they still had their proud union, but the Mexicans had their jobs. This same scenario has unfortunately been repeated by too many corporations, too many times in the last several years, with little attempt to match the foreign labor rates. Because of their selfish desire to keep their standard of living as high as possible, they would never consider matching the rates of a Third World country in order to keep jobs in this country."
This passage, extraordinary for its level of cognitive dissonance is a sign of how effective the half-century old screed against big government (aka in this case, public-sector unions) has been. The author here doesn't think to ascribe any responsibility to the companies which actually made the decision to relocate jobs to other countries (facilitated, incidentally, by the deregulation passed by small-government advocates) or to consider the implications of asking American workers to accept the same wages as their counterparts in countries where the cost of living is dramatically less (consumer prices including rent in the United States are 61% higher than in Mexico).
What's also remarkable in this symptomatic passage is the notion that unionized employees have caused everything from the erosion of our manufacturing base to our state budget shortfalls. As a point of comparison, consider Germany which has the highest degree of worker control on the planet since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Germany remains the 2nd largest exporter in the world behind low-cost China. They have six weeks of federally mandated vacation, free university tuition, nursing care, and childcare. For those pundits who decry the culture of entitlement that unionization fosters, it may be useful to note that the Germans equal or surpass us in terms of productivity, even though American workers work more -- 1,804 hours versus their 1,436 hours.
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Unions? No..................
Do you know WHY Unions came into existence and WHY they were finally recognized by the government?

Try looking up the Lattimer massacre or the Ludlow Massacre...
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:41 PM  
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John887, do you really think that kind of atrocity would occur in 2011? The United States Government has regulated everything to such an extent that unions have become a joke. I can understand why unions were necessary then, but now, so many people need their hands held, there is no longer any point. Unions hurt way more than they help. Look what they did to the American Automotive industry.

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