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Old 05-19-2011, 06:51 PM  
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True, but no current GOP candidate or likely candidate would be any improvement.
This is a scary situation for both party's sake...........not mention our culture.
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Old 05-19-2011, 07:36 PM  
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not mention our culture.
A huge war could be the end result of an Arab Spring so I hope the Prez is talking to Putin and China. No one could gain but many would die.
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Old 05-19-2011, 07:43 PM  
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What the heck!

Look at that, a Bible verse, and a pretty good one too, and anti-Obama statements in the same thread!!

Go ahead and try to convince me there is no God!!

Glory be.....................the Angels sing!
1948
Truman: Sided with the world when the world told the Israelis to cease and desist once they were winning their war of independence- which Moslems started by invading Israel as soon at independence was declared.

Truman then got bogged down in Korea to the point that he couldn?t run for re-election.

1956
Eisenhower: Sided with the world when the world told the Israelis to give back Sharm el Sheik following Nasser?s closure of the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, in violation of the armistice after Israel's war of independence.

Eisenhower?s health turned bad and the rest of his term in office was pretty much a foreign policy fiasco (Prague, Gary Powers, Berlin Wall).

1967
Johnson: Sided with the World when the World condemned Israel for making a pre-emptive strike against its neighbors in the Six Day War after Syria planned to restrict northern Israel?s water supply.

Johnson couldn?t even win re-nomination in 1968.

1979
Carter: Shafted Israel to high heaven with the Camp David peace agreement whereby Israel had to give up territory it conquered in the Yom Kippur War which began when Moslems lead by Egypt and Syria invaded Israel on the holiest day in the Jewish year.

1983
Reagan: Agreed to a UN Security Council resolution following Israel?s air attack on Saddam Hussein?s nuclear reactor that declared that the attack was a "clear violation of the Charter of the United Nations and the norms of international conduct"; told Israel to refrain from additional attacks and recognized Iraq?s right to have a nuclear program and declared that Iraq had a right to be compensated by Israel for the attack. Reagan also post-poned by 2 months an already pending sale of F-16s to Israel. Later Reagan suspended arms shipments to Israel when Israel had the PLO under seige in Beirut. Reagan allowed the PLO to evacuate Beirut and then gave the PLO diplomatic recognition in 1988.

Reagan had to deal with one terrorist situation after another and his reputation will be forever tarnished by the Iran-Contra affair. And don?t forget about Reagan?s Alzheimers.

1991
George H. W. Bush: Would not allow Israel to defend itself against missile attacks from Iraq during the first Gulf War.

The economy soured and Bush suffered the 2nd worst Republican Party presidential defeat in the Party?s history.

1995
Clinton: Shafted Israel with the Wye River Accords that essentially gave PLO nation status.

Clinton will forever be known as the 2nd occupant of the White House to be impeached.
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Old 05-19-2011, 11:33 PM  
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1948
Truman: Sided with the world when the world told the Israelis to cease and desist once they were winning their war of independence- which Moslems started by invading Israel as soon at independence was declared.

Truman then got bogged down in Korea to the point that he couldn?t run for re-election.

1956
Eisenhower: Sided with the world when the world told the Israelis to give back Sharm el Sheik following Nasser?s closure of the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, in violation of the armistice after Israel's war of independence.

Eisenhower?s health turned bad and the rest of his term in office was pretty much a foreign policy fiasco (Prague, Gary Powers, Berlin Wall).

1967
Johnson: Sided with the World when the World condemned Israel for making a pre-emptive strike against its neighbors in the Six Day War after Syria planned to restrict northern Israel?s water supply.

Johnson couldn?t even win re-nomination in 1968.

1979
Carter: Shafted Israel to high heaven with the Camp David peace agreement whereby Israel had to give up territory it conquered in the Yom Kippur War which began when Moslems lead by Egypt and Syria invaded Israel on the holiest day in the Jewish year.

1983
Reagan: Agreed to a UN Security Council resolution following Israel?s air attack on Saddam Hussein?s nuclear reactor that declared that the attack was a "clear violation of the Charter of the United Nations and the norms of international conduct"; told Israel to refrain from additional attacks and recognized Iraq?s right to have a nuclear program and declared that Iraq had a right to be compensated by Israel for the attack. Reagan also post-poned by 2 months an already pending sale of F-16s to Israel. Later Reagan suspended arms shipments to Israel when Israel had the PLO under seige in Beirut. Reagan allowed the PLO to evacuate Beirut and then gave the PLO diplomatic recognition in 1988.

Reagan had to deal with one terrorist situation after another and his reputation will be forever tarnished by the Iran-Contra affair. And don?t forget about Reagan?s Alzheimers.

1991
George H. W. Bush: Would not allow Israel to defend itself against missile attacks from Iraq during the first Gulf War.

The economy soured and Bush suffered the 2nd worst Republican Party presidential defeat in the Party?s history.

1995
Clinton: Shafted Israel with the Wye River Accords that essentially gave PLO nation status.

Clinton will forever be known as the 2nd occupant of the White House to be impeached.
Wut??

............no really
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Old 05-20-2011, 07:44 AM  
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Israel is just as almost as backwards as the countries around it, I see no reason why we should support a state created from land given to them by people who did not actually have the land to give in the middle of people who hate them. Us supporting Israel has lead to many middle eastern countries in turn hating us. but then people say we need an ally there, do we really? If we didn't support israel they would not care about us in any significant way.
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Everyone keeps picking on Israel.
Its simple leave them the hell alone.
They will leave others alone if they stop picking a fight with Israel first.


Every damn country on the planet should protect their own country, but stay out of others.
I am disgusted that Canadians are in libya and other countries with weapons to fight.
If your in another country it better be for a vacation only.
so the biggest country always wins correct? according to your plan it really comes down to population sizes as to who will win.

And maybe there is a reason Israel gets "picked on"
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:01 AM  
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True, but no current GOP candidate or likely candidate would be any improvement.
I look at it like it would the best of two evils. Almost any other non liberal would be an improvement over Obama.
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Old 05-20-2011, 11:18 AM  
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Israel is just as almost as backwards as the countries around it,
What a little bigot you must be.

Chutzpatent -- Innovations Invented with Chutzpa

Israel's Inventive Advantages
Brains, Creativity and Chutzpa!
? Israel has ~140 scientists and engineers per 10,000 of population, nearly twice as many as the US, and more than twice as many as Japan.
? Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation - 109 per 10,000 people.
? The percentage of Israeli citizens who are university graduates is among the highest in the world.
? Israel is second only to the US in the number of patent applications filed.
? Israel has more than 140 companies listed on NASDAQ - only the U.S. has more.
? The Stent was invented in Israel.
? It is estimated that some 15% of all communications equipment sold around the world comes from Israel.
? The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
? Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.
? Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer
? Israel's Given-Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, cancer and digestive disorders.
? The Firewall was invented in Israel
? Drip Irrigation was invented in Israel
? ICQ was invented in Israel
? Both of the leading drugs used to treat MS patients, beta-interferon and copaxone, were invented in Israel.
? Voice over IP was invented in Israel
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Old 05-20-2011, 11:21 AM  
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I look at it like it would the best of two evils. Almost any other non liberal would be an improvement over Obama.
The best of 2 evils is still evil. Personally I am sick and tired of settling.
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Old 05-20-2011, 11:52 AM  
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What a little bigot you must be.
keep up the name calling, do you even understand what the term "bigot" means? Is all you can do is fling around mud.

Yes they create inventions, that doesn't mean they aren't backwards in other manners, technology is not the only way people can be backwards.

how about that they have a law where one can only marry within the same religion? you don't think that is backwards?
seriously? or the severe amount of religion that influences its politics?

you also can't discuss changing religions with someone under 18 years of age in Israel

Israel's Discriminatory Practices Are Rooted in Jewish Religious Law
If a religion is so afraid people will marry and then leave the jewish religion what does that say of the jewish religion?

http://atheistnews.blogs.fi/2010/07/...srael-9030179/

granted yes they don't kill or have other serious penalties for people changing religions as some countries do, but they are still backwards.

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The best of 2 evils is still evil. Personally I am sick and tired of settling.
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Old 05-20-2011, 12:17 PM  
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Israel is just as almost as backwards as the countries around it, I see no reason why we should support a state created from land given to them by people who did not actually have the land to give in the middle of people who hate them. Us supporting Israel has lead to many middle eastern countries in turn hating us. but then people say we need an ally there, do we really? If we didn't support israel they would not care about us in any significant way.

so the biggest country always wins correct? according to your plan it really comes down to population sizes as to who will win.

And maybe there is a reason Israel gets "picked on"
Actually I don't see it as anyone winning.
If everyone did what I said, there would be peace.........so EVERYONE wins...well everyone but the weapons makers.
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