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Old 11-10-2010, 08:01 PM  
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North Koreans didn't announce their last nuclear test. Not that I think it's North Korea.

What do you think it is, Jacko?
China, for two reasons.

China stated last week that the US is dishonoring their investment. For them, it is a cultural thing and not so much the dollar, but they know the US is purposely devaluing the dollar, this may have been a message to that.

The other is the 43 war ships that O took with him on his wirlwind vacation....maybe telling him a broke leader should stay home and mind his own business.

Maybe a combination of the two.
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Old 11-10-2010, 08:06 PM  
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North Koreans didn't announce their last nuclear test. Not that I think it's North Korea.

What do you think it is, Jacko?
Underground with no intended or unintended target, IIRC. And I believe they did test launch some short range missile a couple of years ago in the direction of Japan, they did announce this in the typical NK way of a threat...again IIRC.
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Old 11-11-2010, 01:15 AM  
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I just think it's pretty bold to launch a missile because of a financial gameplay... and hasn't China been de-valuing their currency for at least a month now? That along with cutting off their precious mineral exports - I think we have more reason to be agitated with them than them us.

And yes, NK's was underground just as a test.
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Old 11-11-2010, 07:42 AM  
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It explains nothing, did you read it? Please post page # that specificly addresses launch date and time.

Also, #45 is dated Nov 6th.....not enought notice, just common scense would tell you that, or that it is dated to Nov 6th but I see nothing posted but Oct months, or anything posted for that region.

Further if this were the case why does the Pentagon still claim it to be a jet as of this afternoon?


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Good question. It appears Section III is a collection of NAVAREA warnings for October. I'm not sure what good it does to publish warnings after the fact. I've asked my friend to clarify...maybe this proves nothing. It may be the October dates were when this announcement was first made, as the last entry on p55 and going into p56 (the one I was referring to) was canceled in November.
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Old 11-11-2010, 08:21 AM  
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Page 50 says "NAVAREA IV WARNINGS issued from 211100Z to 281230Z October 2010." so presumably the October dates are when these events were planned.

The section in question (p55/56) reads:

434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S
Messages in force 281230Z October 2010:
2010 series 424(18) 431(GEN) 434(18)
403(19) 430(19) 433(19) 435(18,83)
NM 45/10 SECTION III
III-1.8
SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
4. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 427/10.
(251001Z OCT 2010)
435/10(18,83).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS 0149Z TO 0321Z DAILY
30 OCT THRU 02 NOV IN AREAS BOUND BY:
A. 34-29N 120-40W, 34-31N 120-46W,
34-46N 120-41W, 34-44N 120-34W.
B. 34-07N 120-58W, 34-26N 120-52W,
34-22N 120-36W, 34-03N 120-43W.
C. 13-16N 126-14W, 17-32N 125-20W,
17-24N 124-40W, 13-08N 125-34W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 020421Z NOV.

So it would indeed appear this is an after-the-fact warning.
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Incident took place after Nov2. This missile is too large also.....just does not explain in my view.

Further, with the media coverage that has taken place the CG or someone would have made a statement by now....they have not. Other mariners have not. FAA would have been notified....they say they were not.....
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Incident took place after Nov2. This missile is too large also.....just does not explain in my view.

Further, with the media coverage that has taken place the CG or someone would have made a statement by now....they have not. Other mariners have not. FAA would have been notified....they say they were not.....
Yup, I see that. Again, sorry...didn't mean to spread misinformation.

Does it bear mentioning this took place exactly three years to the day when one of China's subs surfaced in the middle of a carrier group? We never heard 'em. Could be a correlation, maybe it's a screw-up of our own, maybe it's something else.

But I have a hard time believing it's a mere contrail from a jet.
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Yup, I see that. Again, sorry...didn't mean to spread misinformation.

Does it bear mentioning this took place exactly three years to the day when one of China's subs surfaced in the middle of a carrier group? We never heard 'em. Could be a correlation, maybe it's a screw-up of our own, maybe it's something else.

But I have a hard time believing it's a mere contrail from a jet.


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Do we have any pictures with landmarks, or videos of this? The only picture I saw was of a random trail of some kind. Sorry if someone already posted this, but just curious.
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http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNe...E67B11W20100812


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A commentary in the Liberation Army Daily on Thursday laid bare rancor over Washington's naval exercises with ally South Korea, and over its criticism of Chinese territorial claims to swathes of the South China Sea, where Taiwan and several Southeast Asian states also have claims.


"A country needs respect, and a military also needs respect. 'If someone doesn't hurt me, I won't hurt him; but if someone hurts me, I must hurt him," wrote Major General Luo Yuan in the paper.


"For the Chinese people and the Chinese military, those are by no means idle words."

The angry commentary in the PLA's top mouthpiece, carefully vetted by censors, also underscored Chinese military pressures weighing on Beijing as it crafts policy.


The U.S. and South Korea last month held a joint naval drill in the Sea of Japan off the Korean peninsula, which brought condemnation from China, which answered with its own heavily publicized military exercises.


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http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/11...can-supremacy/

Good read here

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First, in terms of security, Chairman Mao Zedong once said, "We will never allow others to keep snoring beside our beds." If the United States were in China's shoes, would it allow China to stage military exercises near its western and eastern coasts? Just like an old Chinese saying goes, "Do not do unto others what you do not want others to do unto you," if the United States does not wish to be treated in a specific way, it should not forcefully sell the way to others.

Why China Opposes US-South Korean Military Exercises in the Yellow Sea

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