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Old 02-21-2016, 09:30 PM  
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Cliven Bundy and rachers like him love government welfare!

I thought this was an interesting write up on the Cliven gang!

The tale of Cliven Bundy, a Nevada cattle rancher, had all the elements of a certain type of political theater, making it inevitable that he would become a hero in the conservative blogosphere and a fixture on Fox News.

The story line, as told in those forums, went something like this: Heavy-handed federal bureaucrats, having seized Bundy’s cattle, were forced to back down after being confronted by cowboys on horseback toting nothing more than their sidearms and an unshakable faith in the U.S. Constitution. (A little-told detail: A sniper or two were concurrently taking aim at the federal agents.)



Bundy was painted as a man being “squeezed” by the federal government, and deserving of our sympathy. Or, more profoundly, he was cast in the same mold as Mohandas Gandhi and George Washington, men who disobeyed unjust laws to bring about revolutionary change. The word “tyranny” was used so often it became background noise in the news coverage.

Let’s dispense with niceties: Bundy is a freeloading scofflaw, a welfare queen in a Stetson who claimed what wasn’t his. He took subsidies from U.S. taxpayers and refused to pay the $1.2 million he owed for using federal – make that our – land.

Bundy has neither history nor law on his side in his long-running dispute with the U.S. government. He asserts that his grazing rights were established in 1880 when his ancestors settled the land where his ranch sits. By some reasoning understood only by him and his range-war sympathizers, the federal government has no constitutional right to interfere with his grazing cattle.




There is a gaping flaw with this argument. As several writers have noted, the Nevada constitution, adopted in 1864 as a condition of statehood, trumps Bundy’s right to graze on public land. It says:

“That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States.”

Bundy no doubt is pining for the days, which he never actually experienced, when cattlemen could let their herds roam at will on public lands. That changed in 1934 when federal control of grazing was formalized under a law designed to prevent overuse and degradation of the range. The legislation was backed by ranchers (it was drafted by a rancher turned congressman), in part because it made it that much harder for newcomers to get into the business.

The law, the Taylor Grazing Act, gave existing ranchers permits allowing them to run their herds on federal land. In turn, ranchers paid user fees, which were lower than what most private landowners would have charged. Because those fees capture only a bit of the costs of the grazing program, it amounts to a taxpayer subsidy to ranchers of as much as $1 billion a year. Subsequent court rulings clearly established that the law didn’t grant ownership rights to ranchers who used federal land.




Bundy’s specific complaint dates to 1993, when regulators began a program to protect the endangered desert tortoise. They placed certain grasslands off-limits for grazing, and the government bought out the permits of some ranchers. Among others, Bundy refused to sell and kept grazing his cattle on restricted federal land without a permit.

The fees and fines kept mounting, and Bundy kept losing in court. In 1998, a federal judge permanently barred him from letting his cattle graze on protected federal land.

Finally, agents of the Bureau of Land Management, which oversees grazing rights, began rounding up Bundy’s cattle to remove them from federal property a few weeks ago. Things got hot when Bundy’s family and other ranchers confronted the agents. Wary of the standoff escalating into another Ruby Ridge or Waco – totemic events for some Americans – federal officials backed down and released Bundy’s cattle.

Where it goes from here is unclear. But what shouldn’t be in dispute is the nature of the conflict. This wasn’t a matter of capricious enforcement on the part of the federal government but the steady ratcheting up of pressure on a defiant lawbreaker. There is no grand principle here, just the poor judgment of a man who has helped himself at the public trough while believing he has a right to pick and choose which laws to obey.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:33 PM  
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And that's just it right there. People who only see what benefits them even at the expense of others. Cliven and others like him love government welfare, but complain about everyone else. Unbelievable.
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Old 02-22-2016, 01:13 PM  
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And there's people like me that like neither the government nor its handouts. Do you reckon Cliven will vote for Bernie and his freebies or is he a felon that can't vote?
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Old 02-22-2016, 08:29 PM  
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He's probably a felon now, so no voting for Cliven! Well if you don't like our government........... move to Syria. (I'm laughing out loud Eddie) They don't give out a darn thing in that country. Suits you to a tee. You'd love it!!

As for Cliven, he's an idiot who stole from me, you, and every one else in this country. He loves free stuff. Welfare. You should loathe this guy!
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Old 02-23-2016, 02:30 PM  
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There are a lot of people on the dole that I wouldn't care for. I know a girl (now a woman) that never kept a job very long. Now she has three or so children and still doesn't work, and she's not the only one milking the system. The system is a bit like the field of dreams.
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Old 02-23-2016, 04:12 PM  
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From http://dailysignal.com/2016/02/08/ma...1pRhLiDA%3D%3D
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One trillion dollars—that’s how much the government spent last year on means-tested welfare aid, providing cash, food, housing, medical care, and social services to poor and low-income individuals. The food stamp program is the nation’s second largest welfare program.

The number of food stamp recipients has risen dramatically, from 17.2 million in 2000 to 45.8 million in 2015. Costs have soared over the same period, from $20.7 billion in 2000 to $83.1 billion in 2014.

The most rapid growth in the food stamp caseload in recent years has been among able-bodied adults without dependents (ABAWDs). These are work-capable adult recipients between the ages of 18 and 49 who do not have children or other dependents to support.
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Old 02-23-2016, 09:21 PM  
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Well, this we agree upon. These people are scum. But even more, do I get pissed about people like many corporations and the Bundy bunch, who do a business, and get kick backs from the government while the working poor pick up the tab for everything. Donald trump has his flaws, but I think he's going to do something about that crap once elected, and I believe he will be the next chosen one.
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