Drug testing for welfare

[samfloor]

Originally Posted by rivalarrival

So basically, you would create a law that is completely unenforceable.

That's how I read it.

[YelloJeep]

Originally Posted by rivalarrival

So basically, you would create a law that is completely unenforceable.

I'm not talking about giving them condoms or some pills or something. I'm talking about a shot. Also, it's not a "law"... It would merely be a condition of recieving the check.

As far as what "problem"? It would be addressing the "cycle" of poverty that we see.

[YelloJeep]

Originally Posted by rivalarrival

You're making it sound like poor people get rich by having kids. The old "welfare mom" stereotype. Newsflash, the kids cost more than the extra subsidies. The "incentives" you're talking about don't even exist.

I most certainly am not saying anyone gets rich from having kids. We do however greatly soften the financial blow to an individual (thus "incentivizing") who has had a child. If they do not feel the financial sting then they will be less thoughtful of the repercussions. We do not want to starve kids so we help them out further. I would like to see a process that stops this from happening.

[YelloJeep]

Originally Posted by rivalarrival

You bet that 15 to 20 years of birth control as a condition of receiving money will "DRASTICALLY" reduce poverty. If there was a moral way of taking that bet, I would.

So you don't think it would impact poverty over the long run?

[rivalarrival]

Originally Posted by YelloJeep

So you don't think it would impact poverty over the long run?

Correct.

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[rivalarrival]

Originally Posted by YelloJeep

I most certainly am not saying anyone gets rich from having kids. We do however greatly soften the financial blow to an individual (thus "incentivizing") who has had a child. If they do not feel the financial sting then they will be less thoughtful of the repercussions. We do not want to starve kids so we help them out further. I would like to see a process that stops this from happening.

It would be cheaper and more effective for the public to provide birth control to anyone who wants it.

[samfloor]

Originally Posted by rivalarrival

It would be cheaper and more effective for the public to provide birth control to anyone who wants it.

But conservative Republicans have always fought against birth control.

[havasu]

Originally Posted by samfloor

But conservative Republicans have always fought against birth control.

I've never heard this one before. Not saying it is incorrect, but just haven't heard it before. Source?

[samfloor]

Most conservatives are religious. Most very religious have always fought birth control and sex ed.

[havasu]

Don't all politicians oppose sex education since they feel it is a waste of time, especially since they get the real thing in the chambers?