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Old 09-13-2011, 07:46 AM  
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Drugtest prior to recieving unemployment benefits

I think it makes good sense!

Unemployed May Face Drug Test - Local News - Greenville, SC - msnbc.com

SC Governor Looking To Test People For Drugs

GREENVILLE, S.C. — WYFF 4.com

The governor of South Carolina wants to drug test people who are unemployed before she gives them any unemployment benefits.

Governor Nikki Haley says, "I love the idea of drug testing because I think it brings accountability to the process."

WYFF News 4 caught up with Governor Haley at a tea party event last Friday.

Supporters say it would be better for the state to pay $10 for a drug test... rather than $20,000 in state benefits.

But what will it cost the tax payers?

"We are still in the preliminary phase. What we are trying to do is bring accountability efforts to any sort of benefits plan. One of the things we are looking at. Is drug testing something feasible and is it practical to do in our state? We owe it to ourselves to look into it." said Haley.

Victoria Middleton with the ACLU-SC said, "the organization believes that this kind of sweeping, suspicionless mandatory drug testing is discriminatory, an invasion of privacy and a waste of our limited state funds."
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:26 AM  
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I can agree with this to a point.

WHICH drugs are you going to be testing for?

How about alcohol? Nicotine?

I know people that will forego food before they forego their nicotine and or alcohol. (Hell caffeine too!)

You know what they are going to target the most? You guessed it - cannabis. Ironically, the people that partake in this almost MUST have their grocery shopping done.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:55 AM  
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I can agree with this to a point.

WHICH drugs are you going to be testing for?

How about alcohol? Nicotine?

I know people that will forego food before they forego their nicotine and or alcohol. (Hell caffeine too!)

You know what they are going to target the most? You guessed it - cannabis. Ironically, the people that partake in this almost MUST have their grocery shopping done.

So true! Ha ha.... I agree, and I doubt that it would include legal substances. I think it would be much more difficult to justify the testing for nicotine and alcohol. I do think that this is a very good idea and likely would be beneficial in most areas of entitlements also. I don't know how the ACLU can argue that it is trampling rights while employers already drugtest. Makes no sense!
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no one is SC ever heard of weed? Let's test them for morbid obesity, alcohol abuse, meth, crack, illiteracy and being backward.

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Old 09-13-2011, 01:15 PM  
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no one is SC ever heard of weed? Let's test them for morbid obesity, alcohol abuse, meth, crack, illiteracy and being backward.

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Huh?



What exactly is your point? And uh... I believe that crack and meth would be tested along with weed...... And... Hmmm.... The other things you mentioned aren't illegal.(?)

And as far as being backward.... That is your opinion. There are ignorant people everywhere. The topic in this thread is about drug testing of unemployment recipients. If you have a good argument other than "you're backwards" then present it. Oh, and if you think that paying (some) people money to get by so that they can do things illegal that also will likely cause them to NOT get a job then by all means be against the accountability...

Oh, and if employers didn't drug test, then I would see less of a point in drug testing the recipients. (just so you know, this isn't about being against drugs, just unemployment..)
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Old 09-13-2011, 01:30 PM  
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I think it would be much more difficult to justify the testing for nicotine and alcohol.
weed is proven to be a harmless drug stigmatized by a Fed named Harry Anslinger in the 30's. Nicotine is sold in packs warning;

Smoking causes lung cancer, heart disease, Emphysema and may complicate pregnancy

You'll need to speak with MADD about alcohol. A drug & alcohol professional once said approximately one person in 10 in the US suffers from issues with alcohol. How can your silly Governor chase users of a benign drug while ignoring the real problems under his nose?

It appears a state with a long history of racism is trying to clear minorities off the unemployment rolls.
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Old 09-13-2011, 01:37 PM  
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weed is proven to be a harmless drug stigmatized by a Fed named Harry Anslinger in the 30's. Nicotine is sold in packs warning;

Smoking causes lung cancer, heart disease, Emphysema and may complicate pregnancy

You'll need to speak with MADD about alcohol. A drug & alcohol professional once said approximately one person in 10 in the US suffers from issues with alcohol. How can your silly Governor chase users of a benign drug while ignoring the real problems under his nose?

It appears a state with a long history of racism is trying to clear minorities off the unemployment rolls.
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Blucher...... Like I said, My suppoert of this ISN'T about being against drugs. It is about being FOR employment. Under the current system where employers drug test, drug USE us detrimental to getting a job... So it makes sense to drug test those on the dole due to not "finding" a job.. (Honestly, I cannot believe that I have to explain that part!)

Honestly, I agree with you. Pot is SOOO much less harmful (in my opinion) than alcohol. I have always believed that. At the same time, I must mention that I think pot lowers ambition and motivation for most people
(hey, this is from personal experience)...

If you have an argument as to why drug testing recipients would NOT promote employment, or discourage sitting and collecting a check, then by all means present it. And with all due respect, do not join the ignorant folks by stereotyping the south so much.

Oh, and if you want to keep on ranting about the south, then do it in another thread please.
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POO-FOOEY!!!!! Gov needs to do Gov things, drugs,tobacco,alcohol, pot, etc., should be legalized and TAXED. Just like DUI, WUI (working under the influence) should be cause for instant termination, re-employability consideration following rehab. Gov needs to do other things.

BTW: to the old one up in cold Geezer. smoke in the lungs is harmful to your health legal or nonlegal kind.
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POO-FOOEY!!!!! Gov needs to do Gov things, drugs,tobacco,alcohol, pot, etc., should be legalized and TAXED. Just like DUI, WUI (working under the influence) should be cause for instant termination, re-employability consideration following rehab. Gov needs to do other things.

BTW: to the old one up in cold Geezer. smoke in the lungs is harmful to your health legal or nonlegal kind.
Again, if employers didn't drug test, I would not be for testing unemployment recipients because it wouldn't make sense. If the government is going to be in the business of paying someones way then they should hold the recipients responsible. Under the current system of employers drug testing, it is irresponsible for people to be doing drugs when a drug screening is part of pre employment tests!
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