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Old 11-03-2011, 01:52 PM  
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The Federal Reserve doesn't deal in money, it deals in illusion and its product (the dollar) is but an illusion of wealth. Now with the speed of the internet the fed is worried about how its illusion and manipulation techniques are being understood by too many people. IOW the fed is now iteself being perceived as an illusion. It may be data mining in hopes of finding a means of plugging the dike. It wants to ?Identify and reach out to key bloggers and influencers.? But if that fails, as it will, how then might that data be used . . .
First off, the value of an ounce of gold is just as much an "illusion" as the value of a dollar, or any other substance used primarily as a currency. Each is worth what the market determines it is worth, no more, no less. Gold is not valuable just because it is scarce. Gold is valuable because it is desirable. But the main desirability of gold is psychological. The chief use of gold is as currency; the second major use is jewelry, with practical uses lagging well behind. The main desirability of gold is that of any currency: people accept it in trade.

Currency does not equal wealth. Tangible assets are wealth; currency is currency. It is the working fluid we use to exchange work and wealth; it is not wealth itself.

You still have not explained to me how the fed's interest in data mining differs from that of Coca Cola's interest. Couldn't either organization "be evil" with the data they collect? Why no outcry about all the other organizations, public and private, involved in social media? Why no outcry that NOAA monitors Twitter, or TSA monitors Facebook?
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:21 PM  
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:45 PM  
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Not only about Twitter and Facebook!
That's not all NOAA and TSA monitor!
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That's not all NOAA and TSA monitor!
And don't forget your beloved NSA that for a time operated those 85" antennas near me searching for "key words and phrases".

I'll try to help you with respect to Coke. It is in a continual sales battle with Pepsi for the number one spot. It just can't seem to regain it since Pepsi has a better taste. The new Coke failed because the loyalists treated it with suspicion. But marketing schemes are a far cry from . . .

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Establishment ?Social Listening Platform? whose function is to ?gather data from various social media outlets and news sources.? It will ?monitor billions of conversations and generate text analytics based on predefined criteria.?The Fed?s desired product should be able to ?determine the sentiment of a speaker or writer with respect to some topic or document?? ?The solution must be able to gather data from the primary social media platforms ? Facebook, Twitter, Blogs, Forums and YouTube. It should also be able to aggregate data from various media outlets such as: CNN, WSJ, Factiva etc.? Most importantly, the ?Listening Platform? should be able to ?Handle crisis situations, Continuously monitor conversations, and Identify and reach out to key bloggers and influencers.? Said otherwise, the Fed has just entered the counterespionage era and will be monitoring everything written about it anywhere in the world. After all, why ask others to snitch for you and anger everyone as Obama found out the hard way, when you can pay others to create the supreme FIATtack WatchTM using money you yourself can print in unlimited amounts. And once the Internet is completely ?transparent?, the Fed will next focus on telephone conversations, and finally will simply bug each and every otherwise ?private? location in the world. Because very soon saying that ?printing money is treason? will be treason, and such terrorist thoughts must be pre-crimed before they even occur. (source: Truth Squad TV)
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That's not all NOAA and TSA monitor!
And don't forget your beloved NSA that for a time operated those 85" antennas near me searching for "key words and phrases".

I'll try to help you with respect to Coke. It is in a continual sales battle with Pepsi for the number one spot. It just can't seem to regain it since Pepsi has a better taste. The new Coke failed because the loyalists treated it with suspicion. But marketing schemes are a far cry from . . .

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Establishment of a ?Social Listening Platform? whose function is to ?gather data from various social media outlets and news sources.? It will ?monitor billions of conversations and generate text analytics based on predefined criteria.?The Fed?s desired product should be able to ?determine the sentiment of a speaker or writer with respect to some topic or document?? ?The solution must be able to gather data from the primary social media platforms ? Facebook, Twitter, Blogs, Forums and YouTube. It should also be able to aggregate data from various media outlets such as: CNN, WSJ, Factiva etc.? Most importantly, the ?Listening Platform? should be able to ?Handle crisis situations, Continuously monitor conversations, and Identify and reach out to key bloggers and influencers.? Said otherwise, the Fed has just entered the counterespionage era and will be monitoring everything written about it anywhere in the world. After all, why ask others to snitch for you and anger everyone as Obama found out the hard way, when you can pay others to create the supreme FIATtack WatchTM using money you yourself can print in unlimited amounts. And once the Internet is completely ?transparent?, the Fed will next focus on telephone conversations, and finally will simply bug each and every otherwise ?private? location in the world. Because very soon saying that ?printing money is treason? will be treason, and such terrorist thoughts must be pre-crimed before they even occur. (source: Truth Squad TV)
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:37 PM  
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And don't forget your beloved NSA that for a time operated those 85" antennas near me searching for "key words and phrases".

I'll try to help you with respect to Coke. It is in a continual sales battle with Pepsi for the number one spot. It just can't seem to regain it since Pepsi has a better taste. The new Coke failed because the loyalists treated it with suspicion. But marketing schemes are a far cry from . . .
I have no problem with NSA doing its job.

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The National Security Agency/Central Security Service (NSA/CSS) is a cryptologic intelligence agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the collection and analysis of foreign communications and foreign signals intelligence, as well as protecting U.S. government communications and information systems, which involves cryptanalysis and cryptography.
You talk about how they formerly used those antennas as if it is a good thing that they stopped. Well, it is a good thing, but not for the reason you're thinking. If they aren't using those antennas any more, it's most likely because they've found a better method of intercepting the signals those antennas were used to intercept. The good part is that now, you're not sure how they're doing it, so it's harder for you - and the intended target - to figure out how to avoid it.



You just suggested that Coca Cola is using social media to improve themselves, to provide a better experience for their customers. Why should NOAA, the Fed, or any number of other government organizations not do the same? Why should they not be expected to take their cue from the market?



Do you really think that the intelligence community doesn't already data-mine the public internet? Do you really think they need some other organization to do this then cross-deck the data to the various intelligence services? DO YOU REALLY THINK THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IS JUST FINDING OUT ABOUT THE INTERNET IN 2011?!?
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Of course the Fed being owned by some US and foreign entities is not a government agency but it seems to violate the intent of the privacy act.
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The Privacy Act of 1974, 5 U.S.C. ? 552a, Public Law No. 93-579, (Dec. 31, 1974) establishes a Code of Fair Information Practice that governs the collection, maintenance, use, and dissemination of personally identifiable information about individuals that is maintained in systems of records by federal agencies. A system of records is a group of records under the control of an agency from which information is retrieved by the name of the individual or by some identifier assigned to the individual. The Privacy Act requires that agencies give the public notice of their systems of records by publication in the Federal Register. The Privacy Act prohibits the disclosure of information from a system of records absent the written consent of the subject individual, unless the disclosure is pursuant to one of twelve statutory exceptions. The Act also provides individuals with a means by which to seek access to and amendment of their records, and sets forth various agency record-keeping requirements.
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Do you really think that the intelligence community doesn't already data-mine the public internet? Do you really think they need some other organization to do this then cross-deck the data to the various intelligence services? DO YOU REALLY THINK THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IS JUST FINDING OUT ABOUT THE INTERNET IN 2011?!?
I am just making the public aware of how intrusive the government already is. I am fully aware of what the NSA and others are doing. The NSA abandoned the big dish system because of costs and inefficiency and the rise of cell phone usage. Yes big brother is data mining, we can't stop him but we can make people more awares and even bait some ex-NSA into sharing more than they should.
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Of course the Fed being owned by some US and foreign entities is not a government agency but it seems to violate the intent of the privacy act.I am just making the public aware of how intrusive the government already is. I am fully aware of what the NSA and others are doing. The NSA abandoned the big dish system because of costs and inefficiency and the rise of cell phone usage. Yes big brother is data mining, we can't stop him but we can make people more awares and even bait some ex-NSA into sharing more than they should.
Yeah, well, while you're at it, go look at the regulations under which the American citizens working for the National Security Agency (and the rest of the intelligence services) are expected to operate. More than one person has chosen to work for NSA expecting to be a whistleblower and finding a surprising lack of intrusion into civil liberties upon which to blow a whistle. Conspiracies and massive organizations just don't mix.
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Yeah, well, while you're at it, go look at the regulations under which the American citizens working for the National Security Agency (and the rest of the intelligence services) are expected to operate. More than one person has chosen to work for NSA expecting to be a whistleblower and finding a surprising lack of intrusion into civil liberties upon which to blow a whistle. Conspiracies and massive organizations just don't mix.
Never spoke of conspiracies, did I? When one can get a former NSA official or even a peon to collaborate something in social media about the NSA then they become a target for tracking. BTW the NSA and others are so compartmentalized that no one person could find very much to blow a whistle about.
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Old 11-05-2011, 03:33 PM  
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Never spoke of conspiracies, did I? When one can get a former NSA official or even a peon to collaborate something in social media about the NSA then they become a target for tracking. BTW the NSA and others are so compartmentalized that no one person could find very much to blow a whistle about.
You started on conspiracies in your opening post on this thread. We've gone from "The fed is going to start using social media" to a general indictment of the intelligence community. Yes, you've spoken of conspiracies. Everything you've posted has been about conspiracies, or the threat of conspiracies.
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