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Old 10-16-2010, 04:36 PM  
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Science progressed us to this point. Without religion we wouldn't have had: the Holocaust, 9/11, the Crusades, girls who get raped in the Middle East getting stoned instead of the rapist, etc, etc.
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Without religion we wouldn't have lot of things. Like civilization. Humans as individuals in the wild are useless. We are soft and made of meat. It's through numbers that we triumph. Religion is a unification. There are other unification (race, sexual orientation, etc.) but religion is the only one that forces a morality based on common acceptance in order to belong as opposed to a commonality.

Religion has also done a lot of really great things. Dietetic law for instance kept us from dying when we didn't know about the micro world.

It also funded the arts that led to the Renaissance, which broke the strangle hold if ignorance that was the Medieval ages. Granted that was a religiously inspired time, but there were environmental factors leading to the destitution of the period, not just religious persecution.

Lets not at all forget about the joy and compassion it inspires in people. For every act of terror or hate, there is an act of kindness and generosity. They don't put those stories in the paper. Not saying religion is the only impetus for kindness, but it definitely greases the wheels.

The list can keep going, the point is to get us here it took it all, not just parts of it, regardless of faith that is a truth. Everything got us here. Here is pretty great, and tomorrow ain't looking so bad.

To sum up, religion got us the first 6,000 years of civilization, science is covering the last 500, with constant interruption. We men of science have some catching up to do.

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As opposed to christian laws/beliefs being forced on those of us too smart/logical for religion? Are you saying you are worried about someone else's beliefs being forced on you? really? that would be bad? So we should end any law based on christian beliefs then?

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Old 10-21-2010, 03:24 PM  
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As opposed to christian laws/beliefs being forced on those of us too smart/logical for religion? Are you saying you are worried about someone else's beliefs being forced on you? really? that would be bad? So we should end any law based on christian beliefs then?



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We really don't have Christian laws, there is no prohibition against Adultery or Idolatry. We have no code for maintaining slaves, or beating our wives. We only are reliant on the laws that are necessary for our common existence, stealing, murder violence and the like. The biggest notable exception is Sodomy laws, but then most of those would get heterosexual couples sent to prison just as fast.

If you need proof we aren't a Christian nation look to the establishment of laws in the provisional constitutions and the current that are based in the morality of solely Christendom. Not a lot there right? Right. They could have done it, but they didn't. Why? It's dangerous and ill conceived to go messing with people's Gods and sex. That's the fastest way to lose the tenuous grasp you have on a republic. Well that and hard labor. Need examples. It's called history. I recommend it.

As for the laws we do have, we are a republic whose laws reflect the people, we should be able to vote and live how we want, Christian or not. The constitution does not provide provisions for such, so that we may grow and expand as we ought to, without interference from outside influence.
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In all fairness: to run with Funetical's posts a bit further; a thousand years ago Islam was the faith of education, tolerance, etc. whereas Christianity then sucked rocks, think Dark Ages. Fast forward to ca. 1500 AD (the Renaissance) and the two basic faiths swapped roles. Admittedly; the rise of Martin Luther forced the Catholic Church to 'improve its product', shall we say.
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Right now Islam is in it's Dark Ages. Don't forget, Christians were burning witches just a couple of hundred years ago, you guys have not made it that far.
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Right now Islam is in it's Dark Ages. Don't forget, Christians were burning witches just a couple of hundred years ago, you guys have not made it that far.
Re: Islam and its Dark Age; the Baha'i faith may be its 'Martin Luther'------that faith has many Islamic tenets but is extremely secular compared to the Al Qaida variety.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:37 PM  
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Baha'i might be, if you consider the issues of tolerance, but not the issues of homogenization that the Tablets talk about. One world order is a scary thing to me. I think it is to most. Also considering the source, after the Bab had died, one of his students came out and declared himself the next Prophet, seems to me he might have known, and predicted that, which he didn't.

Let's give it a couple of thousand years before we go thinking it great, agreed?
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