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Old 02-12-2011, 09:35 AM  
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Let's see if I can fire this thread back up.....


And there is the biggest problem of all (the hand-outs).....(funny, how it seems this is what always comes up in so many of the forum debates...)

And to me, taking less from someone is not a handout.... The handouts are the ones where folks get more than they are putting in.
What RedJeep is calling a "handout" is actually an incentive. There is a big difference. Oh wait.... I guess giving people more than they put in is an incentive....TO VOTE FOR THE ONE PROMISING THE HANDOUTS.
no it isn't, what about all the mom and pop shops/ start-ups THAT DON'T RECEIVE this same benefit? they can't compete with amazon who receives all these hand-outs from the government. Yes it is a hand out if it is given so selectively to just a few people. If they gave all businesses large and small the same tax breaks then it could be called an incentive. As it is now it's just screwing over everyone else in the state for the benefit of a large corporation

so if you want to call it an incentive call it a "race to the bottom" in what large corporations pay as long as you mention someone will have to pick up the slack and it won't be the large corporations obviously who then have to in turn pay for all the government services that their business will place on the community
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:59 AM  
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........That's right! The small guys! Check out Michael Moores "The Big One" Sure it's a little bit of hype, but the underlying message is the same and the truth.
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:42 AM  
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I'm sorry but the only thing I would check out by Michael Moore is his funeral. It can't come soon enough for me. Did I mention I can't stand that turd?
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:14 AM  
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He has his faults, but at least his stands up for the working class. Personally, I applaud the man.I'm waiting for the day Rush, Glenn, Michelle, Dick, and a few others clear the room, myself!.
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Old 02-14-2011, 06:52 AM  
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I'm sorry but the only thing I would check out by Michael Moore is his funeral. It can't come soon enough for me. Did I mention I can't stand that turd?



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I can give you an example where these incentives are worthwhile.... We have a BMW plant in this area (I am sure they probably got somekind of incentive) and it has completely changed the upstate of SC. It hires tons of people and tons of smaller support businesses popped up. Oh, and not to mention the International Center for Automotive Research that has since been built as a joint venture between BMW and local Universities. It's no wonder that there are states/cities doing whatever it takes to get these kinds of companies to open up shop.
If there were areas trying to draw in some mom and pop store then they would offer incentives. They just don't see the need because mom/pop aren't going to bring in the kind of revenue, jobs, and other benefits to the area in any comparison to a huge company.
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:27 PM  
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I can give you an example where these incentives are worthwhile.... We have a BMW plant in this area (I am sure they probably got somekind of incentive) and it has completely changed the upstate of SC. It hires tons of people and tons of smaller support businesses popped up. Oh, and not to mention the International Center for Automotive Research that has since been built as a joint venture between BMW and local Universities. It's no wonder that there are states/cities doing whatever it takes to get these kinds of companies to open up shop.
If there were areas trying to draw in some mom and pop store then they would offer incentives. They just don't see the need because mom/pop aren't going to bring in the kind of revenue, jobs, and other benefits to the area in any comparison to a huge company.
that growth would have occurred regardless of where it was located, yes it brings in jobs but falls in the same category as "save us we are too big too fail", it's the government giving the big guys an unfair advantage over the little guys.

say for instance they build a walmart with all sorts of no property taxes, easing restrictions and such to benefit them, no mom and pop store could even begin to compete as walmart already has advantages that they could never get, it's corporate socialism in a way.
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that growth would have occurred regardless of where it was located, yes it brings in jobs but falls in the same category as "save us we are too big too fail", it's the government giving the big guys an unfair advantage over the little guys.

say for instance they build a walmart with all sorts of no property taxes, easing restrictions and such to benefit them, no mom and pop store could even begin to compete as walmart already has advantages that they could never get, it's corporate socialism in a way.
These corporations also have the tremendous wealth in store, unavailible to the small guy. It's slighted no matter how you view it.
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:12 AM  
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that growth would have occurred regardless of where it was located, yes it brings in jobs but falls in the same category as "save us we are too big too fail", ........
Well, for one, you are correct that the growth would have occurred regardless of where it was located. I am GLAD that Greenville used incentives to get them to build here instead of somewhere else. I am not sure your point.
And it does not fall into the catagory of too big to fail. This is not a bailout because like you said, they would have succeeded anywhere. Oh, and just for the record, I was definitely AGAINST the bailouts of all the investment firms and the automakers...



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say for instance they build a walmart with all sorts of no property taxes, easing restrictions and such to benefit them, no mom and pop store could even begin to compete as walmart already has advantages that they could never get, it's corporate socialism in a way.
Just out of curiosity, why do you think that these big companies get incentives and the small ones don't?

Oh, and any larger entity has advantages. That is why it is cheaper to get ins. coverage on a group plan than it is to get it going alone.... Do you think that is wrong too? Does it make sense to you why it is that way?

(I guess we may agree on all the facts but we just feel differently about them?)

Oh, and for the record, I try to support smaller businesses if it doesn't cost me much more... The smaller the better.
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"And on top of that Amazon wants to remain sales tax free in the state"

You're very correct about competition but look at the upside. 1400 internet related jobs are there to stay. They will enrich your state far more than the lost sales tax although I think a break on taxes shouldn't be forever.
What does Memphis & Tenn. give to FedEx?

Here in Oregon we're competing for high tech industry to replace wood products as our mainstay. Intel helps but we need a lot more here. We try to cover costs with a population of 3.5 million and high unemployment.

The nice thing about 1400 jobs is you can double that when you add subcontractors and suppliers who will need fast food, housing and tickets to the Opry.
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Old 02-17-2011, 06:23 AM  
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"And on top of that Amazon wants to remain sales tax free in the state"

You're very correct about competition but look at the upside. 1400 internet related jobs are there to stay. They will enrich your state far more than the lost sales tax although I think a break on taxes shouldn't be forever.
What does Memphis & Tenn. give to FedEx?

Here in Oregon we're competing for high tech industry to replace wood products as our mainstay. Intel helps but we need a lot more here. We try to cover costs with a population of 3.5 million and high unemployment.

The nice thing about 1400 jobs is you can double that when you add subcontractors and suppliers who will need fast food, housing and tickets to the Opry.
Exactly. The incentives wouldn't be there if it wasn't worth it. And yes, subontractors and suppliers are also more jobs.
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