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Old 11-14-2011, 03:23 PM  
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:54 PM  
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Can't argue with it!
I can, there are many restrictions on choices that can be made and what can be done, so not really....... You can however agree with a path the government and corporations have allowed you to choose between with the illusion of freedom....
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I can, there are many restrictions on choices that can be made and what can be done, so not really....... You can however agree with a path the government and corporations have allowed you to choose between with the illusion of freedom....
Ya know, you're right.

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I can, there are many restrictions on choices that can be made and what can be done, so not really....... You can however agree with a path the government and corporations have allowed you to choose between with the illusion of freedom....
I don't get it. What can't you do that infringes on your freedoms?
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Old 11-14-2011, 09:21 PM  
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I don't get it. What can't you do that infringes on your freedoms?
When a business exists that hires most of its workers below the poverty rate, that business manipulates both the labor market in general and the sales market in which it operates, forcing its competitors to follow suit or fail.

Where businesses that damage the American economy like this are not only permitted to exist, but encouraged, we end up with the economic problems our society has been facing since the 1970s - the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer. A man's worth in the United States is not the value of his labor, not the value of his intellect. His worth today is directly proportional to his worth the day he was born. He can't get ahead. You can't get ahead. Your kids can't get ahead.

(Sure, there are a few examples otherwise. They are so rare that when they happen, we make movies of them. "Pursuit of Happyness" (sic) for example.)

Prohibit these businesses from operating like this. If you want to earn a profit, by all means do so. But you don't get to do it by destroying the economy. You must meet or beat the poverty rate in your hiring, or you must not compete with anyone who will.



When you go to Vegas, you choose to walk into a casino, knowing that the odds are in the house's favor. You place your wagers, you win a little, you lose more, and you leave. No harm, no foul. Everyone went into it knowing that that the house had an advantage, and they chose to play anyway.

In real life, the "house" has the advantage, but your own human needs compel you to play anyway. THAT is where our freedoms are infringed. THAT is where our human rights are violated. Our desperation for survival is being exploited the wrong way. It could be exploited in a manner that accelerates our consumption of goods and services, accelerates the market for those goods and services, accelerates research and development into new and exciting products and services. Instead, we are being exploited in a way that depletes us, concentrates our wealth in the hands of a few, shrinks markets, and stagnates the entire economy.

Frankly, it's ridiculous that we put up with it.
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I can argue with it. I makes a blatant presumption.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:23 AM  
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When a business exists that hires most of its workers below the poverty rate,.
I keep seeing where you keep saying this... I don't quite understand. If a business comes in and hires at ANY rate, then if people come to get the jobs, then do the people WANT these jobs or not?? I don't understand. If there are better jobs around then why don't the folks go work there?? And if there aren't then why aren't folks glad that they now have A job??? It is supply and demand, if there are more high paying jobs then they won't be able to fill the position. If there are more people than jobs then the jobs are in demand more than the people. THAT IS THE WAY ALMOST EVERYTHING WORKS. Like it or not. If you mess with supply and demand it brings about other issues.
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Old 11-15-2011, 09:55 AM  
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I can argue with it. I makes a blatant presumption.
Which part is a "presumption"? Is it presumptious to assume that we all make choices? Or that some choices come out good and some bad? Maybe you are referring that it is presumptious to assume that in this country we have the right to make said choices? Or maybe it isn't our responsibility to find out what comes next? Not quite sure I see the presumptions, sorry.
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Which part is a "presumption"? Is it presumptious to assume that we all make choices? Or that some choices come out good and some bad? Maybe you are referring that it is presumptious to assume that in this country we have the right to make said choices? Or maybe it isn't our responsibility to find out what comes next? Not quite sure I see the presumptions, sorry.
It's presumptious to assume we all have the ability, resources, support systems, cultural environment .. to make the same choices. A decision you make for yourself may be the wrong one for me. That is the flaw in the statement. Put it this way, I had a friend years ago who was from Jamaica. He told me he didn't know how to swim and I asked how he could not know how to swim, he was from a island. His answer was that it's only an island if you look at it from the water. Everyones life situation is different.
BTW, you are part of the 99% even if you don't want to admit it. Why? Because you are not part of the 1%. As Robin Williams said, "Reality, what a concept".
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:34 AM  
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It's presumptious to assume we all have the ability, resources, support systems, cultural environment .. to make the same choices. A decision you make for yourself may be the wrong one for me. That is the flaw in the statement. Put it this way, I had a friend years ago who was from Jamaica. He told me he didn't know how to swim and I asked how he could not know how to swim, he was from a island. His answer was that it's only an island if you look at it from the water. Everyones life situation is different.
BTW, you are part of the 99% even if you don't want to admit it. Why? Because you are not part of the 1%. As Robin Williams said, "Reality, what a concept".
I never said we all have the same choices in front of us. I am willing to bet most everyone has their own combination of choices to make during a lifetime that are unique to that person. So what?? It is still an individuals responsibility to make choices based on the cards they are dealt. It is not everyone else's. Less than perfect options do not equal "NO OPTIONS". I am willing to bet that MOST all of the situations (you obviously have some particular circumstances in mind) people find themselves in could have been avoided based on some previous choice (I am sure there are some exceptions, but few.). As to why people make those choices, perhaps they had good reason at the time but it doesn't effect the end result of the choice they were free to make.

Oh, and as far as me being "part of the 99%" who cares? I am probably also part of the --% of people that don't know how to ski, or the --% of people who don't collect stamps, or the --% of people who do now own a credit card.... I think you get my drift.
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