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Old 06-11-2011, 11:50 AM  
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The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. while we continually lose our freedoms- just a little at a time.
Cute story but does it reflect a belief that the democrats have a secret plot to instill communism? Are all the European and other countries (virtually all the developed Western Nations) that already have subsidized state healthcare also closet reds? (those Canucks look a mite suspicious)

Still, I agree there is a plot afoot to radically change our country into a nation with no pesky middle class.

What I've watched since Reagan is less and less concern for the vast majority of workers and more and more emphasis on creating more wealth for the wealthiest.

It can be hard justifying billions in tax cuts for BIG OIL to people who just want a job. It's always easier if one drags the corpse of the long dead RED MENACE out to scare the villagers now & then.

I suggest you invent a new boogieman since the only communists in sight seem to be our major trading partner these days. Is Walmart a Commie Plot too?

The nice thing about standing up against the Right is their motivations never change. It's always been GREED and it always will be.

Get a new boogieman, this one reeks of moth balls.
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Old 06-12-2011, 12:58 PM  
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Cute story but does it reflect a belief that the democrats have a secret plot to instill communism? Are all the European and other countries (virtually all the developed Western Nations) that already have subsidized state healthcare also closet reds? (those Canucks look a mite suspicious)
There may be a plot that the run of the mill dem or rep is not aware of, but I don't think the rank and file politician of either stripe sees the pitfall of their actions. They are interested in staying in office by buying votes with "nanny state" services that we can't afford. So we have an unpayable national debt that will lead to socialism. They have generated hate against the rich, but I have yet to work for a poor man.
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Old 06-12-2011, 01:38 PM  
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So we have an unpayable national debt that will lead to socialism.
The debt is 1 trillion dollars. Two Bush Oil Wars cost more than that so repaying it should be much easier when we admit their futility. I saw a Republican Congressman telling Panetta that he "had a real problem investing troops & treasure at the same time Karzai was calling us an "Army of Occupation" I agree.

Please explain how debt leads to communism. I suspect you'll say state healthcare is socialism but then would you call Britain, Canada, Norway and most of NATO Commies?
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The debt is 1 trillion dollars. Two Bush Oil Wars cost more than that so repaying it should be much easier when we admit their futility. I saw a Republican Congressman telling Panetta that he "had a real problem investing troops & treasure at the same time Karzai was calling us an "Army of Occupation" I agree.

Please explain how debt leads to communism. I suspect you'll say state healthcare is socialism but then would you call Britain, Canada, Norway and most of NATO Commies?
Funny story. Obama has spent more in four years than bush did in eight years with two 'oil wars' (which is preposterous, considering the price of oil has skyrocketed since we invaded, so that makes zero sense.) Additionally, he sent a troop surge to afghanistan AND started another war without congressional approval (he still hasn't explained our goal there or asked for permission from congress).

Not only that, but he's also spent more than any other president in US history. Now, with unemployment over 9%, I think anybody else is looking pretty bright. With his approval ratings back down to pre-Osama-killing levels, it's inevitable.
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The current debt is 14.4+ trillion dollars. It will lead to socialism because of the actions to be taken when the economy crashes and the dollar is trashed. The progressives will make their move to save us. IOW the gate closes on the wild pigs (Google "how to catch wild pigs").

Did anyone catch John Stossel's "Moneypit" on Fox last night?
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(which is preposterous, considering the price of oil has skyrocketed since we invaded
The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan to put a pipeline across the country. US Big Oil had similar intentions initially but at no time was the intention to lower the cost of gas. Their only intent is increasing BIG OIL profits. There is no other possible benefit when dealing with perhaps the most violent & backward people on Earth
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The Brits lost 3 Brit Afghan Wars, next the Russians and now us. Someone should bitch-slap Karzai and let him watch our "Army of Occupation" board planes & leave.
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The current debt is 14.4+ trillion dollars. It will lead to socialism because of the actions to be taken when the economy crashes and the dollar is trashed. The progressives will make their move to save us. IOW the gate closes on the wild pigs (Google "how to catch wild pigs").

Did anyone catch John Stossel's "Moneypit" on Fox last night?
It will lead to socialism because of the actions to be taken when the economy crashes and the dollar is trashed.

Like what? This is bogus reasoning if reasoning at all. We survived a Depression and emerged unchanged in our economic policies. Recession does not lead to socialism, pastafarianism or seeing pink elephants.

Why watch Roger Ailes use Fox as a political platform for the Right. I'd watch the Home Shopping Club before looking for real content from FAUX NEWS.
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It will lead to socialism because of the actions to be taken when the economy crashes and the dollar is trashed.

Like what? This is bogus reasoning if reasoning at all. We survived a Depression and emerged unchanged in our economic policies. Recession does not lead to socialism, pastafarianism or seeing pink elephants.

Why watch Roger Ailes use Fox as a political platform for the Right. I'd watch the Home Shopping Club before looking for real content from FAUX NEWS.
Then just keep on ignoring the debt, vote for progressives and stand out of the way of the gate as it swings shut.

There is an old saying that says "the best slave is the one who believes that he is free." A slave under the illusion of a false freedom can never defend himself, for he is unaware of his plight. The whole theme of voting has become part of the illusion to fool Americans into believing that they retain power over their government. But if the public doesn't have a clue about politics and the ever growing national debt, how can they responsibly give another the right to govern them? It's a form of madness.
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From Jacob Hornberger founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation.
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Because of indoctrination, especially in government schools that North Koreans are forced to attend as children, the average North Korean no doubt considers himself a free person.

But doesn’t the same hold true for the average American, who also is forced to subject himself to a state-approved “education”? Doesn’t the average American honestly believe that the welfare-warfare society in which he lives provides him with freedom? Hasn’t his mind been molded into believing that government control and regulation are really just free-market “reforms”? Isn’t he convinced that the failure of free enterprise brought the Great Depression? Doesn’t he believe that life would be impossible without Social Security, Medicare, and other socialist programs? Doesn’t he believe that when U.S. troops are killing and dying overseas, they’re doing it in the protection of American rights and freedom and in the support of the U.S. Constitution? Doesn’t he live in constant fear that the terrorists are coming to get him and carry him away?

Goethe once observed that the best slave of all is the one who honestly thinks he’s free. His observation could easily apply to both North Koreans and Americans.

The good news is that a few North Koreans are breaking through the indoctrination and seeing reality as it is. The same holds true for many Americans. That would be us libertarians.
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From Jacob Hornberger founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation.
well I know you have an agenda, there is also some truth to having other freedoms, such as security that you will be able to get medical care and not have to live in a shack if your investments don't come through.....

freedom comes down to can a man do what he wants to do, And if you are working till you die just so you can maintain some healthcare to keep you alive that is not freedom to me.

like anything swinging all the way to one side or another will result in failure eventually, there needs to be a balance in the middle, not all out communism and not full unrestricted winner-take-all capitalism but a balance, enough to encourage business but enough protections that people feel safe using those businesses
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