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Old 05-19-2011, 08:26 PM  
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Jewish donors and fund-raisers are warning the Obama re-election campaign that the president is at risk of losing financial support because of concerns about his handling of Israel.

The complaints began early in President Barack Obama's term, centered on a perception that Mr. Obama has been too tough on Israel.
Some Jewish donors say Mr. Obama has pushed Israeli leaders too hard to halt construction of housing settlements in disputed territory, a longstanding element of U.S. policy. Some also worry that Mr. Obama is putting more pressure on the Israelis than the Palestinians to enter peace negotiations, and say they are disappointed Mr. Obama has not visited Israel yet.

One top Democratic fund-raiser, Miami developer Michael Adler, said he urged Obama campaign manager Jim Messina to be "extremely proactive" in countering the perception in the Jewish community that Mr. Obama is too critical of Israel.

He said his conversations with Mr. Messina were aimed at addressing the problems up front. "This was going around finding out what our weaknesses are so we can run the best campaign," said Mr. Adler, who hosted a fund-raiser at his home for Mr. Obama earlier this year.

"Good friends tell you how you can improve. They don't tell you 'everything's great' and then you find out nobody buys the food in your restaurants," he said.
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If Israel is sincere about peace they need to give up the notion that more land or the US will save them. Give up all that is fair but insist Arab states openly recognize Israel's right to exist.
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America should NEVER support a religiously biased state, we claim to support democracy, free speech and free religion but then we support israel.... such a waste of money and is constantly dragging us into wars.

Israel is not our friend, They are country that have found a way to have a very powerful political party to get us to do what they want.
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If Israel is sincere about peace they need to give up the notion that more land or the US will save them. Give up all that is fair but insist Arab states openly recognize Israel's right to exist.
If Israel is sincere about peace?

Israel is not the problem.

The nation of Israel began before 1100 BC when the tribes founded by the Patriarch Jacob returned to their ancestral homeland in Canaan following a period of slavery in Egypt. These tribes established a confederation that coalesced into a kingdom after several centuries. During the reigns of Saul and David Israel was under almost constant attack by the warlike Philistines, a people, probably of Greek origin, who invaded and settled along the Mediterranean coast.

When King Solomon died around 920 BC the single kingdom was divided into the rival Kingdoms of Judah and Israel. Both kingdoms were semi-independent under various degrees of vassalage imposed by their neighbors in Egypt and Mesopotamia.

Two centuries later the Assyrians captured Israel and exiled its people. Some scholars speculate that the exiled Israelites never returned to their homeland, but were assimilated with other nationalities in the Assyrian Empire and then dispersed throughout the world.

The Israelite tribes of Judah, Benjamin and part of Levi constituted the Kingdom of Judah and gave rise to the Jewish People. Judah survived until the Babylonians captured Jerusalem and exiled the Jews to Mesopotamia in 586 BC.

When Persia (modern day Iran) captured Babylon the Jews were allowed to return to Judah and rebuild their temple. The Persian Empire later fell to Alexander the Great and when he died the territory of Judah was included in the kingdom established by Seleucus, one of Alexander's generals.

In 168 BC the Maccabeans began a revolt against the Seleucids who ruled from modern day Syria. The Maccabeans established an independent Jewish nation in 142 BC. Decades later this nation dissolved in civil war that lead to Roman intervention and the appointment of Herod the Great as Rome's puppet king in Judea in 39 BC.

The Jews revolted against Roman rule in 70 AD and again 60 years later. The first revolt ended with the destruction of the Jewish temple; the second resulted in a general exile of Jews from the region.

Following the second Jewish revolt the Romans dissolved Judea as a political entity. They adopted the term, which the Greek historian Herodotus had used six centuries earlier, and renamed the region Syria Palaestina, in honor of Israel's historic Philistine enemies. Thus the name Palestine did not originate with the region?s modern inhabitants and, in a region whose history is measured in millennia, the people now known as "Palestinians" have no long-standing historic connection with the region.

Palestine went into the Eastern Roman, or Byzantine, Empire in the 5th century AD, and then was taken by the Arabs in the 7th century and many more Jews were driven out. The Turks conquered Palestine in the 15th century, and while European Jews often found refuge in Turkish territory, Palestine's existing Arabic population was not disrupted to any great extent. When the modern age dawned the region still had no people known as Palestinians.

The 19th century saw the rise of both nationalism and increasing anti-Semitism in Europe, which lead to the Zionist Movement. Jews began agitating for a general return of World Jewry to Palestine. However, the movement gained little headway; by 1880 Palestine had only about 24,000 Jews surrounded by 470,000 Arabs. But the Arabic leaders still objected to Jewish land purchases and were adamantly opposed to Zionism. These Arabic leaders followed the pattern of Anti-Semitism set by Pharaoh over three thousand years ago and followed by bigots ever since: To an anti-Semitic bigot one Jew is one Jew to many.

Between 1880 and 1914 over 60,000 Jews immigrated to Palestine. Many of these Jewish immigrants settled in sand dunes, malarial marshes and other wastelands- which they purchased, mostly from Arabs, at extremely high prices. In 1914 the region still had only about 90,000 Jews while the Arabs numbered about half a million, but the Arabs established anti-Zionist societies in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa, Cairo, Beirut and Constantinople.

In 1917 Great Britain, in the midst of World War I and seeking Jewish support against Germany?s ally Turkey, announced the Balfour Declaration calling for an independent Jewish homeland in Palestine.

Britain's victory in World War I liberated more than 10,000,000 Arabs from Turkish rule. The British had also promised an independent Palestinian homeland to the Arabs so only 11,000 square miles of land were reserved for the Jews.

In September 1920 Britain, in response to anti-Zionist riots, restricted Jewish immigration to Palestine to 16,500 persons a year. The next year the Arabs petitioned Britain to establish a representative government in Palestine whereby the Arab majority could prohibit completely any additional Jewish migration.

Even with the anti-Semitic bloodshed and even with the British restrictions on Jewish settlement the League of Nations granted Britain a mandate in Palestine- with the understanding that the Balfour Declaration would be carried out and the Jews would be given an independent homeland.

Anti-Semitic terrorism was a fact of life thorough the 1920s and '30s. An intense period of anti-Semitic violence began in August 1929, but British authorities refused to allow the Jews to use armed force in their own defense.

And still Jews continued to seek refuge in their ancestral homeland. By 1936 Palestine's Jewish population reached 400,000, but Arabs still outnumbered Jews three to one. On April 15, 1936 the Arabs began a general strike followed by six months of anti-Zionist rioting. On May 13, 1936 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem declared "The Jews are trying to expel us from the country." But the Jews played little role in suppressing this round of violence as British troops restored order.

In July 1937 the British government proposed that Palestine be partitioned into separate Arab and Jewish states with a corridor between Jaffa and Jerusalem remaining under British control. The Jews accepted the plan with reluctance; the Arabs rejected it outright. During 1937 some Jews occasionally launched reprisals against their attackers, but the Jewish National Council condemned such reprisals, urging the Jews to remain passive.

In 1938 the Jews themselves proposed a plan to partition Palestine into Jewish, Arab and British territory. The Jews agreed to the partition of Jerusalem. The British followed up with a revised partition plan. But on May 17, 1939 Britain announced that Jewish immigration would be limited to 15,000 persons a year for the next five years and then prohibited completely without Arab permission. In 1940 Britain closed 4,104,000 acres of land to Jewish purchase.
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In 1945, when the horrors of the Holocaust were fully known, Islamic nations in North Africa and the Middle East, with British encouragement, established the Arab League. The League was purportedly designed to foster Arab unity, but its main purpose was to oppose Jewish immigration and the State of Israel.

In November 1947 the United Nations proposed partitioning Palestine into separate Arab and Jewish nations united in an economic union with Jerusalem being under international control. The Jews accepted the plan, the Arabs did not even though the plan gave the Jews only about six thousand square miles. In the subsequent anti-Semitic violence the British, still responsible for law and order, often sided with the Arabs to the point of disarming the Jews.

Violence continued through May 1948 when the Jews declared their independence in accordance with the U.N.'s partition plan. But Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia declared war and invaded. The Israelis fought off the invaders and gained about two thousand additional square miles of land before the U.N. imposed a cease-fire.

During the war many Arab non-combatants fled at the urging of Arab leaders, but Israel urged these non-combatants to stay. Some of the refugees fled to regions, which would be part of the Arab state under the U.N. plan. These regions included the Gaza Strip and West Bank. But Egypt annexed the Gaza Strip in 1948 and Jordan invaded the West Bank during the war and annexed the region in 1950.

Following the establishment of Israel many of the 870,000 Jews living in Arabic nations, in settlements dating back as much as 2,500 years, fled increasing persecution, abandoned all of their property and sought refuge in Israel. These Jews became an integral part of Israeli society. But many Arab governments insisted on maintaining the refugee status of the nearly equal number of Arabs who had fled Israel.

In April 1949 Israel offered to repatriate 100,000 Arab refugees, but the Arab nations rejected the plan. The Arabs also refused to allow the permanent settlement of these refugees in Sinai, Jordan and Syria.

Even after their defeat in Israel's War of Independence Israel's neighbors continued in their anti-Semitic hostility. Jordan refused to allow the Jews to enter or worship in Jerusalem's Old City, and following the cease-fire that ended the War of Independence the entire territory under Israeli control was within range of Jordanian artillery. At one place the distance between the Mediterranean Sea and the Israeli/Jordanian border was only nine miles. Israel was under a continual threat that Jordan would invade and divide Israel in two, making the nation's survival impossible.

Terrorism against Israel continued into the 1950s. Egypt blockaded the Gulf of Akaba closing Israel's Red Sea trade routes to East Africa, Southeast Asia and Japan.

Continued border troubles lead to a second Arab-Israeli War in October 1956. Israel seized the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula and had reached the Suez Canal when the U.N. again imposed a cease-fire and deployed a peacekeeping force. Israel had to give up the Sinai and watch Egypt re-occupy the Gaza Strip, but it still had no guaranteed right to use the Red Sea, no recognition of its right to exist and no peace from its Islamic neighbors.

The Israeli-Syrian border was a scene of constant violence from 1948 to 1967 as Syria attacked Israeli settlements with artillery and machine gun fire. In 1967 Syria, at the urging of the Arab League, made plans to divert the headwaters of the Jordan River- Israel's only source of fresh water. Israel responded by destroying Syria's earthmoving equipment.

Throughout their nation's entire modern history the Jews have used force only when threatened with open hostility. Over 160,000 Arabs either remained in Israel during 1948 or returned in 1949. Arabs living in Israel have full voting rights and can elect members to Israel's parliament. Both Hebrew and Arabic are official languages of Israel. In 1960 Israel had a population of two and half million; the Arab League had a population of ninety-six million. And in 1966 Israel ended military government in all Arab regions of Israel.

But in response to Israel's peaceful intentions its Islamic neighbors formed a united military command in 1967 and massed their armies on Israel?s borders. The Arabs had 547,000 troops to Israel's 264,000. The Arabs had 2,504 tanks to Israel's 800. The Arabs had 957 combat aircraft to Israel's 300.

When Egyptian president Nasser ordered the U.N. peacekeeping troops to leave in 1967, Israel launched the Six Day War. Israel again gained the Gaza Strip and Sinai. Israel also captured the Golan Heights from Syria and took the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem from Jordan. For the first time in almost 2,000 years the Jews controlled the Temple Mount, their holiest site- but they have made no effort to rebuild their temple or even remove the Islamic mosque that sits on the site.

Following the Six Day War Israeli opinion as to what to do with the new territory was widely divided. The Old City of Jerusalem was formally annexed and a 1980 Israeli law declared Jerusalem to be Israel?s complete and united capital. Israel did annex the Golan Heights, but not until 1981.

Following the Six Day War the Jews still offered peace. Many Israelis wanted the Arabic inhabitants of the West Bank to remain and assimilate into Israeli society, but the ?Palestinians? responded to the Six Day War, not with calls for negotiation, not with calls for peace, nor with pledges for Israel?s right to exist, but with the formation of Yasser Arafat?s terror group the PLO and attacks on the usual targets- schools, buses, markets and airports.

In 1973 Egypt and Syria joined in launching a surprise attack against Israel on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar. It took Israel three weeks to contain the attacks and when the United States sent military aid to Israel, Islamic oil producing nations launched an embargo against the United States that for all intents and purposes ruined America?s economy for the better part of the decade. The oil boycott and Democrat Jimmy Carter?s later failure to effectively deal with Iran (another of Israel?s implacable enemies) lead to double-digit inflation, which many Americans are too young to remember.

In 1979 Israel and Egypt came to peace terms. Israel withdrew from the Sinai. But so far Egypt is the only Islamic nation to recognize Israel?s right to exist. In 1982 Israel, under the generalship of now prime minister Ariel Sharon, drove the PLO into Lebanon. The Israeli government, hoping for peace, allowed Arafat to flee. The result was simply the re-organization of the PLO and a renewal of terrorism.

Throughout their history Palestinians have murdered scores of American citizens, but the Clinton administration legitimized Arafat by recognizing him as a head of state. As part of the Oslo peace agreement Israel accepted self-rule and eventual independence for a Palestinian state in the West Bank in exchange for peace and recognition of Israel?s right to exist. Israel withdrew from some of the West Bank and yet the terrorism continues.

In all of the fighting and political negotiations one thing has been lost. Palestine has never existed as a country and Palestinians have never existed as a people. The Islamic inhabitants of the so-called occupied territories are Arabic. They worship the Arabic God, speak the Arabic language and read Arabic books and newspapers. Unlike the Jews, the Palestinians do not have a distinct nationality, ethnicity, or culture. Yasser Arafat himself was actually Egyptian. The only people that has ever occupied an independent nation in the region popularly called Palestine, either in the present or the most remote past, is the Israelis. Not until World War I did the Arab inhabitants of Palestine ask for their own nation state and when it was offered in 1948 they waged war on their Jewish neighbors. Neither Egypt, nor Jordan offered the Palestinians a homeland when they had the opportunity. The Jews are willing to offer such independence in exchange for peace, but the Palestinians, and their Islamic allies, offer nothing but blood in return.
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America should NEVER support a religiously biased state, we claim to support democracy, free speech and free religion but then we support israel.... such a waste of money and is constantly dragging us into wars.

Israel is not our friend, They are country that have found a way to have a very powerful political party to get us to do what they want.
Israel is the only ally America has in that part of the world. You wouldn't appear to be such a fool if you'd learn some history.
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America should NEVER support a religiously biased state, we claim to support democracy, free speech and free religion but then we support israel.... such a waste of money and is constantly dragging us into wars.
You are aware that Moslems/Arabs can be and are Israeli citizens? Over 20% of Israel's citizenry is not Jewish.

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Israel is the only ally America has in that part of the world. You wouldn't appear to be such a fool if you'd learn some history.
And why are they our "ally"? seriously why? think about it.... maybe because we give them tons of money meanwhile our assistance in helping them form a country where they are not wanted brings a lot of hatred against us, you wouldn't appear to be such an idiot if you could look beyond the superficial (if you wanna start namecalling fine, but do note you started it and it's pointless, oh no you called me a fool...... because you buy some agenda hook,line and sinker and some of can look beyond that) Israel doesn't want peace, and they have continually worked against the peace process. The people in the countries around them despise them and out of association they hate us, can you understand that????? They don't hate us for our freedoms, that is B.S. they hate us because of Israel and other middle east meddling, do you understand that?

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You are aware that Moslems/Arabs can be and are Israeli citizens? Over 20% of Israel's citizenry is not Jewish.

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so what? slaves were american citizens as well, doesn't mean they were considered equal citizens
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so what? slaves were american citizens as well, doesn't mean they were considered equal citizens
Again your ignorance of history is showing. Prior to the 14th Amendment the U.S. had no constitutional definition of U.S. citizenship. So no slave was ever counted as a U.S. citizen.
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