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Old 12-17-2012, 01:19 PM  
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Media putting an incorrect spin on public killings

I aint the guns. In fact guns should be on everyones Hip.
Boy Scout motto is to be prepared yet our Gov't wants us to be 100% defensless.
Guns do not cause these Colorado killings or this resent Cannecticut killing. Nutty people that were heavily dependent on prescription drugs committed these crimes.
Since we refuse to 'Put Down' bad behaving Humans as quickly as we would a pet that has gone bad, we must all expect these public crimes to occur. Gun laws must be relaxed so every law abiding citizen can easily obtain and carry a gun.
think about how many lives would have been saved if the teachers in connecticut were carrying sidearms. Make guns as commonplace as a Dinner Fork and let them be used exercised as readily. There will be no accidental shootings when folks can get and use that tool as often as a Kitchen fork.
Too bad our Gov't and Media pushes this 'scare tactic in an attempt to rid us of guns. I do not want to be Poland back in WWII when they were totally defensless against their gov't and the Germans. LEARN from history
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From an e-mail.......have to post in two parts because of length.......hear's the initial paragraph.....

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Dr. Ignatius Piazza

For Immediate Release: Friday, December 14, 2012

Dear Lee,

Please Forward to Your Local Newspapers, Radio Stations, and Television News Stations

Subject: Gun School For Teachers

Las Vegas, Nevada: In the wake of the yet another senseless school massacre, I ask all our politicians, law enforcement officials, and school administrators one simply question:

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO WAKE UP AS A NATION AND PROTECT OUR CHILDREN?

How many more children have to die before we will find the testicular fortitude, as a nation, to put in place REAL policies that will stop a deranged gunman in his tracks, before he can commit mass murder on innocent and defenseless children?

How many times do I have to offer the nation THE solution?

What the hell is wrong with the leaders of our country? Find a pair, and make the RIGHT decision to protect our children, not more of the wrong decisions that create the opportunity for the next lunatic to murder at will with zero resistance!

Once again, Front Sight Firearms Training Institute, arguably the world leader in providing intensified courses in the defensive use of firearms for private citizens, has the answer to stopping further attacks on school children. Front Sight will once again offer free firearms training to any school administrator, teachers, or full time staff members designated as school Safety Monitors.
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Once again, Front Sight Firearms Training Institute, arguably the world leader in providing intensified courses in the defensive use of firearms for private citizens, has the answer to stopping further attacks on school children. Front Sight will once again offer free firearms training to any school administrator, teachers, or full time staff members designated as school Safety Monitors.

Front Sight will accept for training up to three staff members from each school, college or university.

Applicants must submit a letter requesting training on school letterhead signed by the top school district official and designating the applicant as the school's Safety Monitor.

Please forward this e-mail to your state and federal legislators, local law enforcement departments and your child's school administrator, as well as your friends and family, asking them to do the same.

Guns and Teachers

As Front Sight's Founder and Director, I understand my offer to train armed school teachers may offend some school administrators and parents who do not see arming and training selected school staff members as a positive solution to violent attacks. However, historically, my approach has worked while gun control has actually increased violent crime by shifting the balance of power to favor the criminals and lunatics.

My offer is not a new idea. In the early 70's, Israel was faced with much greater problems of armed terrorist attacks on schools. The cry for more gun control was heard then too, but Israel very carefully analyzed all possible options before adopting the proactive position of arming and training their teachers. School shootings stopped and terrorists looked for easier targets. Gun control never has and never will stop criminals and madmen from carrying out acts of gun violence.

In our country, every time a misguided individual on psychiatric drugs goes on a killing spree, anti self-defense legislators, watch the polls and exploit the dead victims in order to fool the public into accepting more gun control. It is time our country finds some resolve and the will to tackle the real problem, which is rooting out the actual influences in the lives people hat predispose them to commit atrocities. The problem is not guns. Guns don't cause these incidents to occur any more than cameras cause child pornography or automobiles cause traffic fatalities.

Israel had the right answer. Society is safer when we train and arm our law abiding citizens. As the defensive training leader in the USA, Front Sight is willing and able to set the example for the rest of the country to follow.

Armed Teachers

Dave Clark, who recently retired after teaching for the last 25 years at Junction Junior High School in Livermore, California agrees with Front Sight's philosophy. In fact, Mr. Clark has previously attended a Four Day Defensive Handgun course at Front Sight at his own expense and found the course to be exactly what is needed to train fellow teachers to stop an attack similar to Columbine school and Virginia Tech. "Front Sight provides safe and responsible training to a level that exceeds law enforcement standards." Says Mr. Clark. "Among the many lessons taught, I learned universally accepted rules in justifiable use of deadly force. More importantly, I learned when not to shoot and how to be more mentally prepared to see a lethal confrontation coming before it happens in order to avoid it. The firearms training is second to none and clearly gives the graduates the skill needed to save the lives of those in their charge if ever attacked. If my school district chose to adopt a policy of sending selected teachers to Front Sight for concealed handgun training, I would wholeheartedly support it and volunteer as a Safety Monitor. There is no reason for our children to continue to be victimized when free, professional training is available to stop school attacks."

Guns in Schools

There is evidence that a gun in the hand of a teacher will stop an armed attacker. The vice-principal of a school in Pearl, Mississippi used his handgun to stop and detain an armed killer until the police arrived. It seems obvious that armed and trained staff members inside the school are in a better position to identify the attackers and do something immediately to resolve the situation. It is much harder for police, who arrive on the scene too late to stop the killing.

Lawmakers With Blood on Their Hands

An obstacle to training and arming teachers is the current law in many states prohibiting the possession of firearms on school grounds even when the possessor is qualified and has a concealed weapons license.

Understand that those laws did not prevent or stop the gun violence at numerous schools over the last ten years. The brazen attacks in school after school during the last decade indicate criminals have concluded that 'Gun-Free-School-Zone' actually means 'Government Certified, Helpless and Unarmed Victim Zone.'

Schools Can't Afford to Pass on No Cost Security

Most school districts cannot afford to have even one full time police officer in every school, but they can easily afford to train three or more of their selected staff members to a higher level of firearms training than offered in police academies because Front Sight will provide the training at no cost.

Retired law enforcement firearms instructor, Mike Waidelich from Bakersfield, California strongly supports the Front Sight concept of arming and training teachers. "Nearly every tragedy on or off school grounds in the entire 30 years of my law enforcement career could have been prevented or the damage done considerably limited, by the presence of an armed and trained individual."

Concealed Guns

The training provided in Front Sight's basic training classes easily exceeds the training provided in most police basic training academies.

Front Sight proved it on their nationally televised reality series Front Sight Challenge. 80 Seasoned law enforcement officers from around the country went head-to-head in tests of marksmanship, speed and tactics against 80 private citizens-- including teachers-- who had not received any training other than Front Sight's firearms courses. Remarkably, the Front Sight trained, private citizens won over half of every contest.

Teachers will be trained to carry a concealed weapon, so potential attackers will not know which teachers are armed and which are not. In states that have adopted concealed weapon laws for private citizens, violent crime has dropped. School attacks will drop as well once it is known that any of the teachers and staff members on school grounds have the ability and training to stop a violent attack immediately.

There is also scientific research that supports Front Sight's stance on concealed weapon training from John Lott, Jr. at University of Chicago School of Law who published Crime, Deterrence and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns in July 1996. Mr. Lott's research of cross-sectional time-series data from all 3054 U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992 found that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crime and appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have right-to-carry concealed handgun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, and over 60,000 aggravated assaults would have been avoided yearly.

Gun Control Increases Violent Crime

How many times must we experience another Littleton, Colorado or Virginia Tech or Newtown Connecticut massacre before we wake up, study the research and adopt policies which actually reduce crime and begin saving our children instead of leaving them helpless victims when the next psych drug user snaps?

Gun control increases violent crime yet some politicians continue to tout disarming law abiding citizens as a solution. Front Sight has a better solution.

Arm and train school teachers to carry a concealed weapon. And post a DIFFERENT sign outside of ever school!

Look for the RIGHT sign all over America. They are in front of the homes of armed and trained Front Sight students. If you were a deranged murderer, which house would you invade? One with an armed and trained occupant with a Front Sight sign or one who had a "Gun Free Zone" sign in his yard? The answer is simply to any rational person.

WHY ARE SCHOOLS ANY DIFFERENT?

Don't have a sign? Get one here: http://www.readytodefend.com/frontsight
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:03 AM  
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I aint the guns. In fact guns should be on everyones Hip.
Boy Scout motto is to be prepared yet our Gov't wants us to be 100% defensless.
It's pretty damn hard to take you seriously when you say things like this.

Consider:
1. The Clinton "assault weapons" ban was allowed to expire in 2004, and has not been renewed.
2. Concealed Carry laws have completely reversed themselves since the 1980's, when nearly all states completely banned concealed carry. 37 states now have "Shall Issue" or "Unrestricted" laws on the books, several of the "May Issue" states are "Shall Issue" in practice. Only one state (illinois) remains "No issue" in law, and only a handful of the "May issue" states are "No Issue" in practice.

Put all together, the vast majority of the population can now carry a concealed firearm with little hassle.

3. When Attorney General Eric Holder started whining about a new AWB in 2009, 65 house *Democrats* told him to sit down and shut up.

The government does not want us defenseless. This sort of exaggeration makes us all look like paranoid lunatics, and does more to hurt our position than help.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:05 AM  
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http://www.examiner.com/article/texa...-to-carry-guns

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Teachers who wish to carry pistols will have to abide by certain safety standards which include a current Texas conceal carry license, authorization by the school district, as well as training in crisis management and hostile situations. In addition, they will be required to use ammunition that is specifically designed to reduce the risk of ricochet.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:17 AM  
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Check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

"Woodham was fleeing from the high school when an assistant principal, Joel Myrick, apprehended him with his .45 pistol that he had retrieved from his car and held him at gunpoint until the police arrived."

Now, we've all heard about Dawn Hochsprung. She's described as a "5' 2" Raging Bull Lifesaver", the principal who tried to fight off Adam Lanza.

Did you ever hear about Mr. Myrick's actions on the national stage? In gun circles, he's a hero. In the news, he's a nobody. Had he been allowed to carry in the school, instead of having to retreat to his vehicle and return, he might have been able to do some more good. (In my state, he could have been arrested and charged merely for having the weapon in his car on school property)

Would we have ever heard about Ms. Hochsprung if this "Raging Bull", had a privately-owned LCP tucked into her waistband when Lanza broke in? Today, the media calls her a hero. I call her a victim. I don't know if Ms. Hochsprung would have carried a gun had she been allowed, but the fact is that the decision was made for her.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Concerning Dr. Ignatius Piazza
I too received the Front Sight Special Blog: When Will We Wake Up?
Unfortunately so many people have been "trained" to think guns are bad unless they are in the hands of government controlled entities, Military, Police, FBI etc. that we are going to do the exact opposite of what Front Site and Dr. Piazza is speaking about.

We as a nation are going to ban many types of weapons, individual states are going to take away our rights to conceal and carry along with other ineffectual measures, and we will see the same type of horrific shooting happen again. The laws that get passed, as in the past will not address the real problem. Criminals and mentally ill will get guns no matter what, and the law abiding citizens who own or want to own guns will be the ones the new laws will effect...
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:25 AM  
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It's pretty damn hard to take you seriously when you say things like this.

Consider:
1. The Clinton "assault weapons" ban was allowed to expire in 2004, and has not been renewed.
2. Concealed Carry laws have completely reversed themselves since the 1980's, when nearly all states completely banned concealed carry. 37 states now have "Shall Issue" or "Unrestricted" laws on the books, several of the "May Issue" states are "Shall Issue" in practice. Only one state (illinois) remains "No issue" in law, and only a handful of the "May issue" states are "No Issue" in practice.

Put all together, the vast majority of the population can now carry a concealed firearm with little hassle.

3. When Attorney General Eric Holder started whining about a new AWB in 2009, 65 house *Democrats* told him to sit down and shut up.

The government does not want us defenseless. This sort of exaggeration makes us all look like paranoid lunatics, and does more to hurt our position than help.
Obviously You have not gone through the NY Suffolk County Gun License NIGHTMARE.
Many States are reasonable.. Not South-Eastern NY.
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:34 AM  
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Check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

"Woodham was fleeing from the high school when an assistant principal, Joel Myrick, apprehended him with his .45 pistol that he had retrieved from his car and held him at gunpoint until the police arrived."

Now, we've all heard about Dawn Hochsprung. She's described as a "5' 2" Raging Bull Lifesaver", the principal who tried to fight off Adam Lanza.

Did you ever hear about Mr. Myrick's actions on the national stage? In gun circles, he's a hero. In the news, he's a nobody. Had he been allowed to carry in the school, instead of having to retreat to his vehicle and return, he might have been able to do some more good. (In my state, he could have been arrested and charged merely for having the weapon in his car on school property)

Would we have ever heard about Ms. Hochsprung if this "Raging Bull", had a privately-owned LCP tucked into her waistband when Lanza broke in? Today, the media calls her a hero. I call her a victim. I don't know if Ms. Hochsprung would have carried a gun had she been allowed, but the fact is that the decision was made for her.
Perfect example of Mass Media gun Suppression!
The NRA publishes article of Gun Owning folks that have saved their own Bacon or a neighbors.. 'Interesting ' how you cannot find these instances on the Major network TV Stations or in the Papers.
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