Obamacare vs. Religious Liberty

[Eddie_T]

Isn't ACLU membership mostly democrats?

[Eddie_T]

The Southern Baptists are beginning to voice their opposition to Obama on this one. It really comes down to government mandate vs freedom rather than just religious freedom. When the camel is trying to get its head into the tent it is not time for debate between its pretty eyelashes and disgusting spit. It's time to send the camel packing!

[rivalarrival]

Originally Posted by Eddie_T

The Southern Baptists are beginning to voice their opposition to Obama on this one. It really comes down to government mandate vs freedom rather than just religious freedom. When the camel is trying to get its head into the tent it is not time for debate between its pretty eyelashes and disgusting spit. It's time to send the camel packing!

The "mandate" is for insurance companies to provide coverage for contraceptives. Contraceptives are used to treat a variety of conditions including various hormone imbalances in addition to birth control. I know a lot of women who were put on the pill for mental health purposes.

Churches and houses of worship are not required to comply with this policy, nor are these organizations are required to comply with equal employment opportunity policies.

Non-profit organizations, including those with religious motivations, are required to comply. These organizations are also required to comply with equal employment opportunity policies, at least ostensibly.

Religious organization's policies on this demonstrate how far out of touch churches are with reality. Of women aged 15 to 44, greater than 99% have used contraceptives of some type. Of sexually active, fertile women in the same age group, 89% are currently using some form of contraception.

The continuing misrepresentation of the policy is only useful for political propaganda targeted at male conservatives.

[rivalarrival]

Originally Posted by Eddie_T

Isn't ACLU membership mostly democrats?

By default, yes. The ACLU's mission is the support and defense of the bill of rights. The bill of rights outlines the rights of individuals and responsibilities of the state. Democrats are focused on individual rights and state responsibilities, while republicans are focused on state rights and individual responsibility. Democrats will naturally be more interested in holding the state accountable for its actions against individuals than republicans.

[samfloor]

The latest survey among Catholic women says that 80% use contraceptives.

[Eddie_T]

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me."

Martin Niemöller

[rivalarrival]

Originally Posted by Eddie_T

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me."

Martin Niemöller

Excellent point. Right now, "they" are coming for women:



These men are trying to make the case that an employer's religious opinion on contraception is more important than a woman's right to control her own medical care. These men are coming for the women, and the only thing we have to ask ourselves is whether or not we are going to speak out against it now, or wait until they come after us.

[Eddie_T]

Originally Posted by rivalarrival

These men are trying to make the case that an employer's religious opinion on contraception is more important than a woman's right to control her own medical care. These men are coming for the women, and the only thing we have to ask ourselves is whether or not we are going to speak out against it now, or wait until they come after us.

And who are these employers? Are they secular or do they represent religious institutions? Why would pagan women want to work for them in the first place?

[Sideways]

Originally Posted by Eddie_T

Isn't ACLU membership mostly democrats?

Would not surprise me. Probably because Republicans care nothing for civil rights.

[rivalarrival]

Originally Posted by Eddie_T

And who are these employers? Are they secular or do they represent religious institutions? Why would pagan women want to work for them in the first place?

First off, they are EMPLOYERS not DOCTORS. They have ZERO business being involved in the medical decisions of their employees. Get your republican government out of my private life, OK? Stay the hell out!


If the employer is a house of worship, they are exempt from the requirement, so there is no problem, and if they are not a house of worship, they are expected to abide by secular rules, including equal employment opportunity, and now universal health care.

It's a simple enough distinction.