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Old 05-06-2012, 05:31 PM  
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just pointing out that Eddie once again has avoided answering a simple question.

it costs money to run a government and many of the things the government does are good, it is a balancing act.
It really is. There are needs that private industry can't fulfill. There are things that benefit all of us that very few of us would choose to pay for unless the rest of us chipped in as well. So yeah, everything the government does is going to appear to be inefficient.

If you look at a schematic of an engine, you'll see a finely-tuned machine. You'll see gears intermeshing, pistons and rods and valves perfectly synchronized. That's private industry.

Government is the oil, the coolant, the governor, the throttle plate, the harmonic balancer, etc. Government sucks up horsepower that could theoretically be transferred to the drivetrain, but without government, private industry blows itself up, shuts itself down, or runs like complete and total ****.
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:59 AM  
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It really is. There are needs that private industry can't fulfill. There are things that benefit all of us that very few of us would choose to pay for unless the rest of us chipped in as well. So yeah, everything the government does is going to appear to be inefficient.

If you look at a schematic of an engine, you'll see a finely-tuned machine. You'll see gears intermeshing, pistons and rods and valves perfectly synchronized. That's private industry.

Government is the oil, the coolant, the governor, the throttle plate, the harmonic balancer, etc. Government sucks up horsepower that could theoretically be transferred to the drivetrain, but without government, private industry blows itself up, shuts itself down, or runs like complete and total ****.
What an imagination! That's not the government we see in action.
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:46 PM  
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What an imagination! That's not the government we see in action.
Tell me that the next time you take a drive, my friend.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:33 AM  
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Tell me that the next time you take a drive, my friend.
Just read my bumper sticker as I drive.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:12 AM  
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Just read my bumper sticker as I drive.
Yep. Driving on a government-funded road, over a government-funded bridge, stopping at a government-funded stoplight before getting on a government-funded highway. Checking the government-mandated ingredients and nutrition facts on your food. Breathing clean air and drinking clean water due to government mandates holding pollution in check. Calling a government-funded police, fire, or EMS service when you need help.

But yeah, your bumper sticker tells me a lot.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:02 AM  
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Yep. Driving on a government-funded road, over a government-funded bridge, stopping at a government-funded stoplight before getting on a government-funded highway. Checking the government-mandated ingredients and nutrition facts on your food. Breathing clean air and drinking clean water due to government mandates holding pollution in check. Calling a government-funded police, fire, or EMS service when you need help.

But yeah, your bumper sticker tells me a lot.
Just think what we could have if the government went from spending 1.69 times revenue to 1.8, or 2.0! It's more and more like the "catching wild pigs" parable.
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:26 AM  
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Just think what we could have if the government went from spending 1.69 times revenue to 1.8, or 2.0! It's more and more like the "catching wild pigs" parable.
Mother of all strawmen.

I'm talking about reducing the deficit and debt by increasing the gdp, thus increasing the total tax revenue. The approach I would take would reduce the 1.6 to something lower, not something higher.

I am unwilling to eliminate an expenditure where the net, long-term economic effect of such expenditure is positive. That's sound financial policy.
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Mother of all strawmen.

I'm talking about reducing the deficit and debt by increasing the gdp, thus increasing the total tax revenue. The approach I would take would reduce the 1.6 to something lower, not something higher.

I am unwilling to eliminate an expenditure where the net, long-term economic effect of such expenditure is positive. That's sound financial policy.
Would something lower ever solve the debt problem, or just kick the can down the road?
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Mother of all strawmen.

I'm talking about reducing the deficit and debt by increasing the gdp, thus increasing the total tax revenue. The approach I would take would reduce the 1.6 to something lower, not something higher.

I am unwilling to eliminate an expenditure where the net, long-term economic effect of such expenditure is positive. That's sound financial policy.
Seriously, could something lower ever solve the debt problem, or just kick the can down the road?
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:38 AM  
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Would something lower ever solve the debt problem, or just kick the can down the road?
We're not just kicking the debt down the road. We're kicking the investments down the road as well. But you don't want to ever consider that spending ever buys anything worth having.
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