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Old 08-03-2011, 06:41 PM  
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If any person can still blame Bush for the current and future. spending spree then he is obviously biased. Obama has yet to save the economy so we would have more taxpayers. We need more taxpayers not more federal employees and handouts.
1.) you are correct, it is more of the republican's fault then bush's fault, they should have known better
2.) most attempts by obama has been stonewalled by republicans, until we start to raise taxes we will not see much of a rebound, yes I know that sounds different then the republicans tell you and does sound a bit odd but consider the carrot is encouraging companies to grow more then rest due to taxes on profits. statistically higher taxes have correlated with higher growth
3.) we have among the lowest personal tax rates on the rich and fairly low corporate tax rates when compared to other developed countries

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I have a friend who lives on what some might call "the wrong side of the tracks". He says people knock on his door trying to sell him food stamps at 33% of face value.
abuse and general apathy are major issues, the question is how to address them without recreating the social issues that food stamps and such fixed?
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So obvious but far too complex for some to understand. I often wonder how many Tea baggers even know how Europe has addressed these same problems.
Same for healthcare, republicans say look at how bad the uk's system is and look for anything below american ratings while over their any talk of going to an american system in entirety is a political job killer, our system is heartless, inefficient and just plain horrible when you look at the big picture. there have been many different approaches to these problems but we choose to live on our own island and pretend they don't exist to compare.

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The military would be a GREAT place to start!
absolutely, we are paying more then the next 17 countries with the largest militaries, the soviet union is gone, we can downsize now.
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Old 08-03-2011, 11:50 PM  
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A good read is "Do-Gooders: How Liberals Hurt Those They Claim to Help (and the Rest of Us)" by Mona Charen
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From its provocative title, to its headshots of liberals that conservatives love to hate (Hillary Clinton, Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnell), Charen signals right away that she will make no attempt to bridge a widening divide. She does make an attempt to add some empirical weight to the usual vitriol of liberal bashing, however. This polemic includes over 20 pages of footnotes to back up its various claims and offers a partial bibliography for those wanting to read more written by those who share Charen's political leanings. But even with the citations, Charen's argument (over six chapters) is simple in every sense: everything that has gone bad in American society is the fault of liberal policies and the countercultural movements of the 1960s, and everything that is getting better is the consequence of the leadership of a few (visionary) politicians on the right. Charen makes frequent use of quotes from a range of people in the "do-gooder" camp (although she seems oddly fixated on Moore, Jesse Jackson and the editorial page of the New York Times), but this is largely a cherry-picking exercise rather than a more thoughtful attempt to evaluate the core assumptions and values that guide liberal policy makers
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Sarah Palin will not go away. The sub-moronic quitter is gearing up for a presidential campaign, and it looks like one element will be a documentary about her life, which will premiere in Iowa in June. The film is hilariously called The Undefeated, which is an interesting way to look at a woman whose ticket lost in 2008 and who suddenly quit her job as governor.

The only interesting thing about the film, made by a guy whose Tea Bagger lionizing doc, Generation Zero, played on fair and balanced Fox News, will be released in two versions. One will be PG-13 while the other will be R because it will include clips of celebrities saying nasty things about Palin.

That certainly sounds like the more interesting of the two films, although the idea of Palin pulling a ?woe is me, people are mean? is sort of hilarious.
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Old 08-14-2011, 07:56 PM  
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But even with the citations, Charen's argument (over six chapters) is simple in every sense: everything that has gone bad in American society is the fault of liberal policies and the countercultural movements of the 1960s, and everything that is getting better is the consequence of the leadership of a few (visionary) politicians on the right.
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:28 PM  
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This election is going to be the providers vs the takers. If the providers win there may be unrest in the streets as in London. If the takers win there will still be problems as this nation is probably too divided to ever make up, as can be seen on these forums so keep your BOBs packed and ready.
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:34 PM  
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This election is going to be the providers vs the takers. If the providers win there may be unrest in the streets as in London. If the takers win there will still be problems as this nation is probably too divided to ever make up, as can be seen on these forums so keep your BOBs packed and ready.
it's not that cut and dry, from what I've heard of it combined with general issues from england is that they are going through and have been going through a situation where they are removing benefits that existed and exist for the older generation but the younger generation is paying for but yet those same benefits won't be there for them. so it's not exactly taker verse provider, it's more "first to get old - only one helped but everyone has to pay"
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The military would be a GREAT place to start!
Spoken like someone that has never served to preserve the freedom of this country!
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Old 08-14-2011, 11:27 PM  
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absolutely, we are paying more then the next 17 countries with the largest militaries, the soviet union is gone, we can downsize now.
Yes, we could just draft like all the other countries do! If we drafted EVERY people from the age of 19-23 with NO exemptions then we could have a cheaper army, because we would already have a force that could be called up quickly because everyone would have military experience and be able to be called back to duty for the next thirty years!

That way we wouldn't need such a large standing army! Israel, Switzerland, Russia, Ukraine, etc all do this, and that way they have a smaller standing army but can quickly mobilize a much larger army!

Do you think ALL of our 19-23 year olds would like to have to put off college or their lives to be able to cut defense spending but still having the military capability that we need? And that does include women and men, since we have equal rights!
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Old 08-14-2011, 11:44 PM  
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Spoken like someone that has never served to preserve the freedom of this country!
Oh please. Just how many trillions do we need to spend to keep AK toting extremists in the poorest country on the face of the planet in line?
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Yes, we could just draft like all the other countries do! If we drafted EVERY people from the age of 19-23 with NO exemptions then we could have a cheaper army, because we would already have a force that could be called up quickly because everyone would have military experience and be able to be called back to duty for the next thirty years!

That way we wouldn't need such a large standing army! Israel, Switzerland, Russia, Ukraine, etc all do this, and that way they have a smaller standing army but can quickly mobilize a much larger army!

Do you think ALL of our 19-23 year olds would like to have to put off college or their lives to be able to cut defense spending but still having the military capability that we need? And that does include women and men, since we have equal rights!
Forget the draft, though it is actually a great idea, but how about just staying out of needless wars? The country is on its back with flies circling and we continue to spend spend spend like it's Christmas or something on the war machine! Let's put the money to use on more important issues like Medicare and social security. Forget saving the world, let's start out with saving America!
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