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Old 09-05-2012, 11:55 AM  
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:03 PM  
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Show me the constitutionally protected right to attend the DNC.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:36 PM  
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Show me the constitutionally protected right of a non citizen to vote.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:43 PM  
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Show me the constitutionally protected right of a non citizen to vote.
Can't. But what I can show you is the constitutionally protected right of a citizen to vote, and I can show you that the constitution places the burden of proof a person's ineligibility on the government. Due process, innocent until proven guilty, etc.
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:52 AM  
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Can't. But what I can show you is the constitutionally protected right of a citizen to vote, and I can show you that the constitution places the burden of proof a person's ineligibility on the government. Due process, innocent until proven guilty, etc.
So does that mean that someone could show up from nowhere and have absolutely no form of any ID whatsoever... Not even fingerprints, and it would be up to the government to PROVE that they were not born in the US somewhere. If that is the case, how in the world would they be able to prove they WEREN'T a citizen? They would have to let them vote? I understand what you are saying and it very well may be the case. Doesn't it sound a bit ridiculous though?
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:28 AM  
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So does that mean that someone could show up from nowhere and have absolutely no form of any ID whatsoever... Not even fingerprints, and it would be up to the government to PROVE that they were not born in the US somewhere. If that is the case, how in the world would they be able to prove they WEREN'T a citizen? They would have to let them vote? I understand what you are saying and it very well may be the case. Doesn't it sound a bit ridiculous though?
As a general principal, no, it's not the least bit ridiculous. As an absolute law, yes, it's pretty ridiculous.

Voter registration is a justifiable intrusion on the right to vote. But because photo IDs can be lost or stolen, photo IDs are not justifiable intrusions. A government that abridges a citizen's right to vote for lack of photo ID has violated that citizen's rights, half a dozen amendments, and the fundamental principles of the constitution.

I support registration. I support a requirement that the individual claiming the right to vote must positively link himself to that claim - whether that's with a photo ID card or a thumbprint.
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I was reading a book and watching/listening to Charlie Rose at the same time so I don't know the lady's name or title, but Charlie's guest was a lady who is an expert on voting machine problems. What got my attention was when he asked a question about a specific problem, her answer was we don't know if we don't check. Bingo, that's my position on voter fraud, you don't know if you don't check.
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.....I support registration. I support a requirement that the individual claiming the right to vote must positively link himself to that claim - whether that's with a photo ID card or a thumbprint.
As long as there is some form of POSITIVE identification I'm fine with it. Fingerprint sounds good to me as on option if you would rather do that than have a photo ID.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:08 PM  
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As long as there is some form of POSITIVE identification I'm fine with it. Fingerprint sounds good to me as on option if you would rather do that than have a photo ID.
Photo ID doesn't really work with absentee ballots. But it's a fairly trivial exercise to get a thumbprint on an absentee ballot. Of what little voter fraud does actually occur, the majority of it is with absentee ballots. Any solution we find should address that.
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