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Old 05-21-2011, 08:26 PM  
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On the contrary, these are the American people having to show the world what we stand for, when our president is weak and spineless. SOMEONE has to remind the world that we're America, and that we stand behind our allies, rather than undercut them.
Our president is doing what needs to be done, At some point you have to stop babying kids, they have to go out and learn how to get along. Having Israel compromise in order to get peace is a completely rational idea

..... but I guess the right would rather see a large war occur instead, that way we don't appear "weak"
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:53 PM  
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Our president is doing what needs to be done, At some point you have to stop babying kids, they have to go out and learn how to get along. Having Israel compromise in order to get peace is a completely rational idea

..... but I guess the right would rather see a large war occur instead, that way we don't appear "weak"
Here is my question, WTF is it the business of obama?
If barry had 2 active brain cells he would be smart enough to stay out of it, and clean up the mess he has caused at home instead.
Oh ya right, sorry I forgot, he is too dumb to know that.
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Old 05-21-2011, 09:05 PM  
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Our president is doing what needs to be done, At some point you have to stop babying kids, they have to go out and learn how to get along. Having Israel compromise in order to get peace is a completely rational idea

..... but I guess the right would rather see a large war occur instead, that way we don't appear "weak"
And the left would rather see another troop surge and our President send troops into another foreign engagement, without even Congressional approval or asking the American people. And THEN still have the nerve to call it George W's war? It's Obama's wars now...
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Old 05-21-2011, 09:48 PM  
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And the left would rather see another troop surge and our President send troops into another foreign engagement, without even Congressional approval or asking the American people. And THEN still have the nerve to call it George W's war? It's Obama's wars now...
WHAT???? the right was the side complaining about not supporting our troops by pulling out, now you want to attribute that to the left?

go back and reread what went on, the republicans(right) wanted more troops, not the left
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now you want to attribute that to the left?
Both Wars = Bush
Surplus to deficit = Bush
lax to nonexistent oversight of wall street = Bush
tax cuts for the super rich = Bush
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Old 05-22-2011, 12:36 AM  
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troop surge in afghanistan = obama
who controlled congress, the power of the purse, during surplus to deficit = democrats
invasion into yet another foreign country, without congressional approval, all while his base whines about "Bush's wars" being unwarranted = obama
lax to nonexistent oversight of wall street = bush, and pretty much the past 5 presidents. If you can't agree that's been going on for longer than Bush, then you're too far gone.
tax cuts for the super rich = additionally, has been going on before bush
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Old 05-25-2011, 02:21 PM  
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JERUSALEM (AP) ? During a swing through Washington this week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly said his country's pre-1967 lines are "indefensible."
A total withdrawal from the West Bank, a strategic highland looming over central Israel, would certainly leave the Israeli heartland more vulnerable to attack or invasion. But some experts say that long-range missiles, weapons of mass destruction, and cyber-warfare mean that in the modern world the greater risks lie elsewhere ? especially if a future Palestine is demilitarized.
The border issue is now at the heart of the latest tensions in Mideast peace efforts. Seeking to break an eight-month deadlock, President Barack Obama last week proposed that Israel commit to establishing a Palestinian state based on its frontiers before the 1967 Middle East war, when it captured the West Bank, east Jerusalem and Gaza Strip. The Palestinians claim all three areas for their state.
Israel withdrew unilaterally from Gaza in 2005. But Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says a similar pullout from the other areas, even as part of a negotiated peace deal, would jeopardize his country's security on a different scale.
A return to those lines would leave Israel with a waistline just nine miles (15 kilometers) wide at its narrowest point, Jerusalem surrounded on three sides by Palestinian land and the country's main international airport just a few miles (kilometers) away from the border. If hostilities break out, Israel's largest cities could be vulnerable to rocket fire and other attacks.
Yet experts note that Israel waged the 1967 war ? the most decisive military victory in its history ? from these same lines. And today, its overwhelming military superiority leaves it in a strong position to defend itself against any external threat.
"Geography only plays a limited role in war. What you really don't want is people who hate you on the other side," said Martin Van Creveld, a military historian at Hebrew University in Jerusalem.
He said Netanyahu's insistence that Israel maintain control of the Jordan Valley, a strategic area along the West Bank's eastern border with Jordan, would be better for Israeli security but is not "entirely necessary."
Even Obama doesn't expect a pullback to the exact 1967 lines. In a pair of speeches, he said a peace treaty should be "based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps."
The Palestinians have accepted this position. But they envision only tiny modifications to the former lines, and expect an equal amount of territory inside what is now Israel in return. Netanyahu has indicated this is unacceptable.
Still, two previous Israeli prime ministers ? Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert ? offered the Palestinians peace treaties that would have included an Israeli withdrawal close to that of the 1967 border. A third, Ariel Sharon, considered the line "a reference point," according to his top aide Dov Weisglass.
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Old 05-25-2011, 03:15 PM  
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Sooner or later, people are in need to get along, remember Hitler tried his "final solution to the Jewish question" That ain't happening again, Arab or Nazi, it ain't cool. For you who support that, we will stand with the Jews and not appease those who want them exterminated. Appeasement never worked before and it will fail again. Nuf said
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No one anywhere is thinking or expecting appeasement. The former Jewish Prime Minister suggested the "67" boundaries but Netanyahu is a hawk. I have no problem with that in wartime but the war began in 1948 and it's 2011 now.
Unless the Palestinians recognize the Jewish state nothing will happen anyway.
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and in 1967 at THOSE same borders, we're they not attacked? What's different now?
THINK about it . . . appeasement!!
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