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Old 06-15-2011, 11:24 AM  
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Will Obamacare Ration Healthcare?

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Old 06-15-2011, 11:29 AM  
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Not nearly as much as the republicans and the teaparties proposals would............
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:33 AM  
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I'll take my chances with Obamas proposal and my wife loves and I mean loves her government sponsored medicare thank you very much!
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:37 PM  
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In a survey of 1000 companies, 2 of 3 are planning on dropping their employees' health insurance and letting them buy their own plans as soon as the full Obamacare takes effect.

You know where the most waivers are in the country concerning Obamacare? Nancy Pelosi's district.

This thing was a failure from the beginning, and is already showing corruption from the very people whom created it.

America's only hope is for Obama to lose in 2012 and we can repeal it. The majority opposed it in the first place.
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Old 06-15-2011, 03:53 PM  
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What is the approval rate of Obamacare?
I keep hearing different numbers from those who support it and those who are against it. Who should I listen to?


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Here is the problem. Some of the people (conservatives) disapprove of any reform. Some of the people (liberals) disapprove because they wanted single payer instead, but they are in favor of reform. The conservatives tend to lump both those groups together and report the numbers as if it were proving only their point, which is untrue. So unless you find a poll that breaks down these two groups, or if anyone tries to give you the combined numbers, blow off what they say.

Add to that the fact that people believe lying propaganda because they don't research anything for themselves. A Harrison Poll revealed that the Republican lying propaganda campaign has been so successful that Republicans actually believe the following about President Obama:

* He is a socialist (40%)
* He wants to take away Americans' right to own guns (38%)
* He is a Muslim (32%)
* He wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one world government (29%)
* He has done many things that are unconstitutional (29%)
* He resents America's heritage (27%)
* He does what Wall Street and the bankers tell him to do (27%)
* He was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president (25%)
* He is a domestic enemy that the U.S. Constitutions speaks of (25%)
* He is a racist (23%)
* He is anti-American (23%)
* He wants to use an economic collapse or terrorist attack as an excuse to take dictatorial powers (23%)
* He is doing many of the things that Hitler did (20%)
* He may be the Anti-Christ (14%)
* He wants the terrorists to win (13%)

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Old 06-15-2011, 04:08 PM  
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Despite the fact that Barack Obama took his campaign road show to the heartland to drum up support for his newly passed ObamaCare bill, the passage of the bill into law by Obama and the Democrats has sent their approval ratings dropping like a lead balloon.

(AP Photo/Lauren Victoria Burke). Pelosi and the Democrats' 'victory march' through a sea of citizen protesters against the healthcare bill.

The Gallup Organization is reporting today that Democrats now have their lowest approval rating in history.

In addition, pollster Scott Rasmussen reports that public approval for the repeal of ObamaCare has reached its highest point yet, garnering 58% support among the citizens.

These numbers have sent Democratic members of Congress scattering, heading for the hills to private retreats, as they spend the Easter break away from Washington.

New information released over the weekend indicates they have good reason to worry. Several major Democratic strongholds that were considered 'safe' for the 2010 midterm elections in November now appear to be up for grabs.

Barack Obama himself has not escaped public ire over the ObamaCare law. According to the latest Gallup Poll, Obama has reached his lowest approval rating yet.

Interestingly, Scott Rasmussen notes that media coverage of Obama has turned more negative in recent days, indicating that the ratings-sensitive networks which are struggling with plummeting viewership sense that most citizens have made up their minds that Obama and his programs are clearly not in the best interests of the country.

Given the broad-based trends depicted by the latest surveys it is safe to surmise that the ObamaCare law is highly unpopular, Democrats will pay a heavy price for it in November, and Barack Obama himself is increasingly viewed by most Americans as a symbol that the nation is on the wrong path.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Democrats’ approval rating plummets after approval of ObamaCare - National Conservative | Examiner.com Democrats' approval rating plummets after approval of ObamaCare - National Conservative | Examiner.com
Yeahhh, approval ratings don't lie.. no conspiracy there. And I'm not sure what the Tea Party had to do with it, but here's a rebuttal picture, nonetheless.


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Old 06-15-2011, 09:24 PM  
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I dont really follow politics, How can they make me buy health care ? what if I cant afford it ? are they going to throw me in jail if I dont buy it ??
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Old 06-16-2011, 02:48 AM  
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In short, yes they will throw you in jail. But not after taxing the heck out of you.

Per section 7203 of the Obamacare Code:

Step 1 - $1,900 tax / fine (Obama can't figure out which to call it yet)

Step 2 (If you don't pay above fine, and don't purchase health care) - They charge you with a misdemeanor, which means up to $25,000 tax/fine and 1 year in jail.

Step 3 (Again, if you ignore above fine/don't show up to court proceedings) - They charge you with a felony, which means up to $100,000 tax/fine and 5 years in jail.

So basically, they're forcing you to buy health care, and if you don't, they're treating it like tax evasion. You'll just look like any other scum who tries to get out of paying taxes to the government.
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Old 06-16-2011, 08:29 AM  
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Jake, we need to bring in the member at JF who was charged for failing to have medical insurance, and has been trying for a year to get them to drop charges.
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Old 06-16-2011, 08:43 AM  
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In a survey of 1000 companies, 2 of 3 are planning on dropping their employees' health insurance and letting them buy their own plans as soon as the full Obamacare takes effect.
I call b.s. here, I wanna see your source, 2 out of 3 is a pretty outrageous number and I bet it was 2 out 3 employees SAY they will raise what the employee pays and/or drop coverage or something like that so they can sneak in an agenda there and companies will always say that t any thing they don't like they will state the sky is falling. Remember credit card reform and how it was going to absolutely destroy the credit card industry? cards would all have huge interest rates and annual fees and would only be given out very very carefully? what happened to that sky is falling rhetoric after the bill passed. Anyways, I call b.s. on your "statement".
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You know where the most waivers are in the country concerning Obamacare? Nancy Pelosi's district.

This thing was a failure from the beginning, and is already showing corruption from the very people whom created it.

America's only hope is for Obama to lose in 2012 and we can repeal it. The majority opposed it in the first place.
but once they realized "death panels" were just republicans throwing around fear the people started to view it more favorably, America has needed healthcare reform horribly bad for decades now, there is NO way to solve the issues without everyone paying in hence the mandatory requirement. This will be one of those things that many years down the road once people see that they can still get decent affordable health coverage even if they were laid off or got sick the tune will change.....

I assume you are christian? do you think jesus would be like "you die because you are already sick", "you have lots of money so you get the best care"
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