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I grew up as a teenager in the Hudson Valley just south of Newburgh. I now work with a number of people that live IN New York City and They consider UPSTATE anything above 125th Street!
I currently reside in Liberty in Sullivan County and we consider ourselves part of the Hudson Valley/Catskills/Borscht Belt. For what ever reason any friends or family that visits me here think it is close to Canada. Pretty much drive till your sick of driving and then go 15 more minutes. By then your close to my house.
I do agree with Kenbo, if your within 20 minutes of the Hudson Valley, then you more than qualify.
Cheers,
Bern
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