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Old 11-22-2010, 02:51 PM  
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Prop 203

Whats your take on Prop 203 passing?

I can see the positive of it as i do back it, and the negative arguments to me just aren't arguments. I see it as a healthy alternative to numerous narcotics that are perscribed every day. And if it's treated as a medicine, then there is no issues with it, mainly because what is going to happen if your gets get into your medicine? they will eat everything in the pantry and sleep.. wow thats what teenagers do anyway.. it's alot better than if the kid got some antidepressants, or your hard alcohol, or your perk's for your back pain.. I think it will be a good thing for the struggling economy here in az, and it will help alot of people.
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Old 11-22-2010, 03:02 PM  
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I am neutral on this subject. You do make very valid points with the kids getting ahold of Percs and antidepressants. Under age drinking has been happening since the beginning of time, I am against that and against drugs without purpose. If this helps and is used by those that need it and legally have it, then great. What about when they are prescribed it and driving while under the influence, will that be there arguement in court? so amny variables both ways.
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Old 12-03-2010, 03:52 PM  
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I know healthy successful folks that get baked every day. Weed is not evil.

Most other drugs, however, including alcohol, have some very terrible short & long term side effects. Prescription med abuse is on the rise and it's disturbing.

LEGALIZE IT!
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:19 AM  
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What about when they are prescribed it and driving while under the influence, will that be there arguement in court? so amny variables both ways.
People always seem to forget, or not realize, that driving while intoxicated is illegal regardless if the drug is prescribed or not.

I am all for it. it's time that the American people stop being so afraid of a plant. This is just one step closer to outright legalization.
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:47 PM  
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Just legalize it already. I'm glad it passed, even though it doesn't do or change anything for me personally.
I do worry that the police don't currently have a way or standard to measure thc intoxication the way they do with alcohol though. I think developing such technology is crucial for enforcing DUI laws.
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Old 12-19-2010, 01:24 PM  
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I dont see marijuana as any worse/better than alcohol. Its all about moderation.
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Old 12-19-2010, 01:43 PM  
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If you use marijuana, you're 62 times more likely to use other, harder drugs

If you do not use marijuana, your chances of using another, harder drug is under 1%

As of 2007, the percentage of people admitted into rehab for marijuana overtook the number for other, harder drugs - making marijuana the #1 reason for people in rehab in the US

There's NO clear framework in mind on how to tax marijuana at this point - even in states like California, that have actually proposed Legalization.

Documented marijuana addicts' salaries are, on average $23,648 less than their drug-free counterparts.


So please, legalize it Leaves a lot less competition for me!
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:03 AM  
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What about beer and cigarettes Jake? Ask those "hard drug" users if they drank alcohol before, and every one of them will say yes. How about cigarettes? Yep... so what was the real gateway? Alcohol (the number 1 drug abused in America), or MJ... that they only tried because they were drunk to begin with?

According to national statistics the #1 reason for rehab listed for rehab admittance was Alcohol... Followed by Opiates, followed by cocaine, followed then by MJ. http://oas.samhsa.gov/TEDS2k7highlig...hl2k7Tbl1a.htm

You obviously have a good head for numbers and statistics Jake, I just wonder why you aren't looking at official sources.

As far as taxing, there is a framework, it's been done for cigarettes, gasoline, alcohol, and a number of other products that are taxed by both state and federal entities. In fact I believe the medical stuff is already being taxed by the states in which it is distributed.
(yep, even the city of Oakland is in on it Oakland, California, passes landmark marijuana tax - CNN.com)

As far as salaries are concerned, documented MJ addicts make up such a small sample group, any data is not statistically meaningful or scientifically relevant.

If you are part of the population that has chosen not to use drugs or alcohol, then yes, you're obviously less likely to do hard drugs. But if you're part of the majority of the nation, you'll responsibly have a beer occasionally, and if given the opportunity you may even use other recreational drugs in the same fashion. Hopefully you'll stay away from the stuff that can't be used in moderation (things that cause near instant addiction like meth and heroine).
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What about beer and cigarettes Jake? Ask those "hard drug" users if they drank alcohol before, and every one of them will say yes. How about cigarettes? Yep... so what was the real gateway? Alcohol (the number 1 drug abused in America), or MJ... that they only tried because they were drunk to begin with?

According to national statistics the #1 reason for rehab listed for rehab admittance was Alcohol... Followed by Opiates, followed by cocaine, followed then by MJ. http://oas.samhsa.gov/TEDS2k7highlig...hl2k7Tbl1a.htm

You obviously have a good head for numbers and statistics Jake, I just wonder why you aren't looking at official sources.

As far as taxing, there is a framework, it's been done for cigarettes, gasoline, alcohol, and a number of other products that are taxed by both state and federal entities. In fact I believe the medical stuff is already being taxed by the states in which it is distributed.
(yep, even the city of Oakland is in on it Oakland, California, passes landmark marijuana tax - CNN.com)

As far as salaries are concerned, documented MJ addicts make up such a small sample group, any data is not statistically meaningful or scientifically relevant.

If you are part of the population that has chosen not to use drugs or alcohol, then yes, you're obviously less likely to do hard drugs. But if you're part of the majority of the nation, you'll responsibly have a beer occasionally, and if given the opportunity you may even use other recreational drugs in the same fashion. Hopefully you'll stay away from the stuff that can't be used in moderation (things that cause near instant addiction like meth and heroine).
So you're saying that alcohol is the real catalyst, and that marijuana is just an innocent bystander that everyone does after getting drunk - I see. Powerful argument.

Another interesting statistic is that, in an official study, marijuana users were 104 times more likely to do hard drugs than non-marijuana users. I wonder if they were just all drunk...

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As far as of the statistics, I apologize, I was wrong - so thanks for correcting me. Although I don't appreciate the somewhat personal remark, nonetheless thanks for correcting me.

Another encouraging piece of information, at least on my side of the table, is that only about 40% of Americans have actually even tried marijuana once - so it's still the minority that is pushing this. Ironically, California was the first state to make marijuana illegal - just a little tidbit of information.
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Old 12-21-2010, 01:01 AM  
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Did you really quote stats from a rehab website?

That's like going to fox news for info on the democratic party lol

Did you know that you are 94% more likely to rape women if you looked at porn once in the last 20 days.
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