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neophyte 10-29-2010 03:14 PM

Concealed Carry
 
Do we have any carrying:D concealed firearms in the Charlotte area:)

spittinfire 10-31-2010 06:03 AM

Do you carry?

Sarahdactyl 10-31-2010 08:17 PM

I know that Deepskyy does! I am working on getting mine :D

Deepskyy 11-01-2010 05:28 PM

No, I don't have my CCW yet. I open carry when I am going out late into a less than favorable part of the city.

neophyte 11-02-2010 07:32 AM

Yes
 
yes; I carry:) with a ''CC card" up for re-newal; :)
will renew:)

Garnetram 11-14-2010 04:47 PM

What is involved in obtaining a permit for concealed carry? I currently live in a state that does not require a permit.

Thank you

neophyte 11-15-2010 04:51 AM

Conceal Carry NC
 
NC; requires 4 hour class, 4hour range with state mandated information
cost for total class; $75.00-$150
additional
$90.00 to Sheriff, waiting period up to 90 days
finger print, FBI background check,
5 year permit
$85.00 renewal;
now? have to identify your military background; furnish DD214 papers


having sat in on several class; lots of good info.
The class's, aren't about killing anyone
the class; is about the laws; understanding, NC point of view

we do not have the ''Castle Law'';

RickT 11-15-2010 07:59 AM

Arkansas has pretty much the same requirements/qualifications as NC. We don't have an additional fee for the Sheriff (although he probably gets part of the total fee). The class is very interesting, the range qualifying is fun. An interesting note, I was stopped once by a Deputy for having a license plate light out (yep, they stopped me for that!), and the deputy chastised me pretty good for not informing him that I had a concealed weapon in the car when he first approached me. When he ran the license it showed that I had a CC permit. Just an interesting note for anyone in Arkansas who might get stopped who has a CC permit.

lunchbox 11-19-2010 03:49 PM

I have my CCH and if I leave the house, so does my sidearm.

Chapman89 11-29-2010 02:15 PM

I'm taking my class after the holidays are over. What are you guys carrying/ what holster? Me, a Glock 23 with a holster made by a guy on glocktalk(.)com

spittinfire 11-30-2010 04:40 AM

I carry everywhere I go. Kimber Pro Carry in a Crossbreed Supertuck.

ChEaPsK87 12-11-2010 11:45 AM

me and the wife are thinking about getting CC. my dad and a buddy went to do a HVAC job in charlotte this week. well they went inside then m buddy came back out to a cracked open door. upon inspection my dad's phone was gone and my buddies GPS. gotta hate the low income areas of charlotte!!!

neophyte 12-12-2010 11:48 AM

Get the Training
 
ChEaPsK87; Sir, I encourage you and your wife to get your "Conceal Carry";
with this encouragement, maintain control of your emotions.

CC isn't the end-all; it is a beginning in recognizing NC Laws, and how you fit into the scheme.

you have the single right; protecting yourself and family,

I did read your other piece

spittinfire 12-13-2010 04:34 AM

The training to get your CCP is a joke. If you haven't spent a serious amount of time learning the weapon you want to carry and practicing being able to hit what you want with it then, IMO, you have no business carrying. If you're counting on the 1 day of class to take the place of prior experience and continued, regular practice you are mistaken.

neophyte 12-13-2010 05:40 AM

NC Conceal Carry
 
spittinfire: Sir, assume for a moment I agree with you.

NC concealed carry class; have nothing or very little to do with handling firearms. The ''firing'' range time; isn't set up to ''teach about firearms'', The very minimun. Much like getting a drivers license. We practice daily to drive, we practice daily to not!

As the thought suggest, practice is the key to any growth.

fundamentally; NC CC class, teach, NC Law, with regards to NC Law with self defense. A most basic class, with lots of eye opening information.Opportunity exist to grow with both learning, continued education, continued practice.

Do I like the present NC CC system, after having sat in on several class's, yes and no. (Still reminds me of a 16yr old getting drivers license)

I don't like the idea, that a Sheriff, at his descretion can determine my ''right to self defense''
I don't like criminals; who/whom take advantage of my years of effort, from working to surround myself with ''wants'' and needs, that the criminal can remove in moments, destroying and perhaps killing in the process.

With any system, sports to job profiency; the key to success is understanding, practice, learning, practice, for each of our chosen endeavors.

with different CC class's that I sat in on:) I learned something new, My thoughts were reinforced, my appreciation for those taking the class grew, my thankfulness that these souls are taking inititive in learning about protecting themselves.

Discouraging ''one'' person from gaining ground on the criminal, legally, would be wrong. Encouraging everyone to continue learning, continue with practice, continue growing, is a starting point.

It would be easy to share the FBI reports on Officer shooting at subjects, and the #unbelievable miss rate.

For those thinking they need to be ''Rambo'' who doesn't miss, 'practice please'; and continue practicing for the rest of your life, continue learning, after all, it is your life.

spittinfire 12-14-2010 04:56 AM

neo, I'm not trying to discourage anyone from getting their CCP. I think it's a right that every American has and we shouldn't need a permit to be able to carry a weapon. Having said that, I will stand by my statement that the class alone does not make one ready to carry. Much training and practice is needed as well as the right mental preperation should the event arise where you actually need to use your weapon.
During my class there were people who didn't yet own a gun, had never fired a gun of any kind and they wanted to carry one. In my mind they have that right whether the government says so are not but to me carrying a tool that can take a life is serious. Even in highly trained hands during a high stress situation mistakes are made and the mistakes only increase with a lack of training and practice.

spittinfire 12-14-2010 05:24 AM

I borrowed this from another forum I'm on. It's worth the read.


Regardless of whether justified or not, you will feel sad about killing another human being. It is better to be sad than to be room temperature.

If you are involved in a shooting and are the survivor, this is what you MUST DO:

During the first second of post-shooting quiet, do a tactical reload and store the ejected, but not yet empty mag in a convenient pocket, DO NOT put it in your mag pouch! This will prevent you from grabbing it later thinking its fresh. During this reload do a 360 sweep clearing the area for additional BGs.

Draw down on the Bad Guy's center mass and watch his hands as you approach. Hands kill! Everything else is just a distraction! Clear the Tango of any weapons and make sure he is secured. (read: no longer a threat) DO NOT shoot again unless he moves at you. By this time you will more than likely be on someone's candid camera!

If the Tango is still alive tie his hands/feet. Once the Tango is secured, safe and holster your weapon. The officers responding have no idea what has happened, won't know who the good guy is, won't know who the bad guy is, and if they find you standing over a body with a gun in your hand you're likely to get a bad reaction.

Start to administer first aid (you are not a doctor that can pronounce) and stay alert! This guy was trying to kill you just minutes ago! Continue your 360 sweeps for any BG’s that may show up! Start yelling "CALL 911! CALL EMS!". DO THIS until someone confirms they have called!

If you are alone and while performing CPR, with your cell phone call 911 and tell them "There has been a shooting at **your location**, I'm doing CPR, get here fast!" and say nothing more. Do Not hang up and set the phone down while still connected to the 911 operator allowing then to find you. Do not speak to anyone, frequently visually clear the area for BGs and continue CPR until the police/EMS arrives. Personally I could give a **** if the BG lives or not! What I do care about is having the first responder put in his report that when he rolled up on the scene that I was trying to save the Tango’s life! That single statement in his report will show contrition on my part and instantly protect me from a prosecutor trying to portray me, the CCW permit holder as a blood-thirsty vigilante.

When asked by the police the only thing you EVER say is, "He said he was going to kill me. I believed him. I'm sorry, Officer, but I'm very upset now. I can't say anything more. Please let me speak with my attorney. I assure you that you will have my full cooperation after I consult with my attorney."

You will need to surrender your identification, CCW license and weapon. With this completed, request to be released to return home, you’re about to be sick. If everything is in order they should return your ID and CCWL and let you go. With the exception of yes or no answers to ID questions DO NOT answer any other questions! You have invoked the attorney card and are not required to speak to them. You are upset, sick and want to go home! By now they have run and verified your info, know where you live and should let you go.

If the police persist with questioning you do have an option. If you are convinced they intend to run you through the grinder tell them you are so upset that you are having chest pains. (You may actually be having chest pains.) They will have to send you to the hospital and admit you to intensive care, probably for 24 hours. You cannot be questioned further and certaintly not in intensive care. You will then have time to THINK, gather your composure and visit with your lawyer. This will also be part of your record as to how upset and afraid you really were.

Remember it is the LEO's job to produce evidence, he is not your friend and anything you say can be used against you. Keep your mouth shut! Thanks Dragonheart.

Be sure you have a lawyer prior to carrying. Call the attorney now. If it's late, you will probably get a service or machine. Go on record then, do not wait until you can speak to him in person and leave this message; "This is (You) and I require your services for a shooting I was involved in an hour ago."
NEVER (did I say never?) say you shot somebody, not to anyone other than your retained lawyer and not even to him on the phone.

If you re-read the above you will notice you have NOT once said you shot your gun much less the Tango. You have not lied but more importantly, you have not provided the Tango's legal defense team anything they can run with. This is very important. Invoke the attorney card and say nothing, even when questioned about you gun being full. You are not required to! Keep saying, "I'm sick and need to go home."

Mark Twain said it best; "If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything."

CCW is what I perceive to be the most personally responsible decision I have made third only to my wedding vows and active service to this great country. Concealed carry is NOT playing cowboys and indians (pardon my age tell) and I’m afraid that’s exactly what many are doing today. When we post encounters as entertainment rather than a positive outcome from our correct decisions we only feed to a “Denny Crain” type response.

When you decide to carry a concealed weapon, you have burdened yourself with tremendous responsibilities including, but not limited to, physical fitness, firearm and CQB training, in-depth knowledge and handling skills of your weapon of choice and the moral obligation that the issuing authority extracts from you when you applied for the CCW license.

When your 'go criteria' are met, you MUST draw your concealed carry and if nothing else has changed, it’s not time to talk, it's time to defend yourself with your loud finger. If that reaction isn’t one smooth ‘muscle memory’, you’re dead! PLEASE NOTICE: I did not say if you draw you must shoot. That’s why I included the “CHANGE” caveat because if the BG turned and ran I would clear the area and then reholster.

I would also report the incidence to the local police/county sheriff. This gives them a heads-up on the BG in their area and protects me for going non-concealed. Brandishing, here in South Florida, is prosecuted harshly to control the gangsters and road rage.

There is no fun in concealed carry; it’s a profession that must be executed by professionals. If you do not embrace this school of thought, you have no business being armed. If you don't embrace this, it is my fear that I or my loved ones could become part of your collateral damage.

I need to emphasize the gravity of this carry decision with these two points;

A. Use your head (your most powerful weapon) and only draw and fire your weapon to save you or someone’s life. This is the only righteous shooting. Anything else will find you in a cage or a box. Long before you put yourself in the ‘shoot’ position, you better have completed all the legal requirements that allow you to be there. In addition you must complete the following personal conditions;

Training,
Understand and accept the moral obligation that the issuing authority extracts from you when you applied for the CCW license,
Training,
The moral mettle to take a life,
Training,
Know and keep up on the laws covering carry in the location you are armed (political boundaries and building restrictions),
Training,
At a bare minimum have a gun rights lawyer’s phone number on your cell’s speed dial,
Training,
Retain that lawyer if you can afford it,
and did I mention training?
B. See A or you will get yourself killed!

We are neither a vigilante nor a hired gun, just a survivalist.

neophyte 12-14-2010 09:16 AM

Responsibility
 
spittinfire: Sir; a very good piece of work; ''should be'' stapled to the daily reads.
We each have responsibility, I carry, I am not a ''officer'' of any kind shape or color.
My responsibility to my family comes first, everyone becomes a second, then perhaps my responsibility to my fellow citizen, will become paramount.

I responded to your other posting, with reminders to each other. Do what you can to protect yourselves, with knowledge, understanding, throughly empowering yourself

Concealed Carry ''persons'' are not ''Police Officers"

Concealed Carry ''persons" are the 'concerned citizens'
Concealed Carry "persons'' are not vigilantes
Concealed Carry "persons" are educating themselves

I use the same words over n over ( yes, I can be redundant)

Responsibility
Practice
Knowledge
Practice
Learning
practice

use the 16 year old getting a drivers license thought; :) we need to practice daily:)

pielet97 12-16-2010 05:31 PM

I have a CC, but knowing that if I pull it out, it is in my best interest to kill the bad guy, puts a lot of pressure and responsibility on me....

sgraham602 12-25-2010 07:36 PM

is this the wild wild west? who are you protecting yourself against? are you really anticipating someone "gunning" you down in the streets??

spittinfire 12-26-2010 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgraham602 (Post 60875)
is this the wild wild west? who are you protecting yourself against? are you really anticipating someone "gunning" you down in the streets??

I'm protecting my home. Myself, my wife and when my children arrive I'll be protecting them too. Who am I protecting them against? Anyone who means to do them harm and the world is full of people who would try. I refuse to become a victim if there is anything I can do about it.

I'm not out looking for a fight but I'm certainly not going to run from one and I'm not going to count on anyone else to protect me should a fight come my way. I have nothing but respect for LEOs but they show up 10 minutes too late, at best, because their response is 3 and 4 reactions down the chain.

neophyte 12-26-2010 07:12 AM

Knowledge is your power
 
sgraham602: Sir, respectfully. It is our responsibility to protect ourselves as best we can.
Reading any of the 'police' information available, knowledge, is power, power when or if things becomes dangerous to those around us. Power knowing the law, power knowing your individual rights.

pielet97; has said it best. 'responsibility''

spittinfire; has posted some wonderful information. Use it, enjoy it, at the level you choose.

doing anything, preventing one person, the knowledge, ability, understanding, training, discouraging anyone from personal protection, is wrong

grymsr 12-26-2010 01:28 PM

Does NC recognize ME CCW's? My son is being stationed at Lejuene and I plan to visit from time to time.

Sarahdactyl 12-26-2010 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgraham602 (Post 60875)
is this the wild wild west? who are you protecting yourself against? are you really anticipating someone "gunning" you down in the streets??

CC is a means of peace of mind and protection. I don't expect anyone to gun me down randomly in the streets, but where I live there have been armed robberies, break ins, ect. On my school campus, the student parking lots are a huge target for car jacking and hold ups at night. Not to mention my city has been target of rape. A girl on my campus was walking to the parking deck when a stranger made and attempt to grab her. You can never be too safe. In your area it might be different, but where I live things like this happens on a daily basis.





For the record I have a lot of gun experience. I have shot my fair share and I know where to shoot to disable without killing. (however I will never know how well that will work out if I am in a head on situation, lol) and I know how to clean them properly as well. Cleaning is also VERY important. What good is your gun if it won't work properly?

I also hope when I get my CC that I will never have to use it, but if I do I prepared. I also want one to deter anyone from attacking me. Just by pulling a gun on someone attempting to attack you can cause them to back away and run if your out somewhere. You don't have to shoot.


grymsr - Depending on where you are, you can talk to the local DA. But where your goin' I am pretty sure your good.

neophyte 12-27-2010 05:18 AM

Concealed Carry Reciprocity Maps
 
grymsr: Sir; for your best source :)

Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps


Sarahdactyl; Ma'am, reconsider your statement please.

''shooting to disable''; in NC; the law; doesn't recognize your statement, pulling a firearm, shooting to wound, isn't considered self defense.
{ a Felony} on you part; you can be held responsible; under the law; even while you think you are doing the right thing

It suggest; you had time to think; if you have time to think; you have time to escape. 'very ambiguous'

were you to make this decision; ''Officer, I shot to kill''; and, am a terrible shot.

spittinfire 12-27-2010 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarahdactyl (Post 61171)
For the record I have a lot of gun experience. I have shot my fair share and I know where to shoot to disable without killing. (however I will never know how well that will work out if I am in a head on situation, lol) and I know how to clean them properly as well. Cleaning is also VERY important. What good is your gun if it won't work properly?

I agree with you on cleaning but I have to strongly disagree with you on shooting to disable. You should never pull a weapon unless you feel your life is in danger, if you do for any other reason you can face criminal charges. Now, if my LIFE or my wife's LIFE is in danger my goal is to stop the threat, not wound it. If my sidearm ever clears leather I am shooting to kill. If I happen to hit the guy in the shoulder and he stops, that's fine. He can sit there and bleed with my pistol pointed at him until the cops show up.

In today's world you could open yourself up to all kinds of legal issues by wounding an attacker. You see it time after time in the news where a man is charged with a crime after injuring someone who broke into his home during the night. I know it doesn't make any sense but it happens.

I don't want to kill anyone but if I am forced to protect myself or others I will do just that. A wounded man can still attack you, a dead man cannot.

Sarahdactyl 12-27-2010 01:39 PM

I would never even think of pulling it unless I was in danger I couldn't get away safely.

I cringe at the thought of killing someone, had I ever been in the situation I suppose I would shoot to kill.

It does seem backwards, but I get what your saying.

Gotlime 12-30-2010 10:10 AM

IF I had a CCW and IF I carried and IF I told random strangers about it on the internet then it may no longer be a concealed weapon. IF I had a CCW and IF I carried a weapon it MAY BE a SIG P239 in 357SIG. Perhaps...........

spittinfire 12-31-2010 06:40 AM

IF you did carry, why would you pick 357sig?

neophyte 12-31-2010 10:13 AM

Iniative
 
I feel strongly about our rights to carry, about our rights to have the opportunity to offer ourself; just maybe, the opportunity to protect our loved ones, ourself, or the innocent.
Those feeling they need to be very very secretive, so be it. In the grand scheme, I would rather know who is around that has taken the iniative, in learning how the law will protect us

What firearm, sling-shot, bow, rock chunker, is your individual rights. Carrying
a knife, is better than a ''Winn Dixie'' bag. just don't carry the knife to a gun fight.
Mace
pepper spray
keys, properly handled
tire tool
books
blah blah blah, could/can be your weapon of choice. Practice, with what you have. Practice for life:)

The basic argument: The simple, be prepared; our society has changed

Hawgwild1 12-31-2010 03:18 PM

Here comes the JUDGE!!
 
Taurus Judge is a very good carry weapon, use shotgun shells first for car jacking and 45 caliber to finish the job if need be. the shotgun shell ability is excellent in self defense situation as aim is not as important.

pielet97 01-01-2011 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawgwild1 (Post 64627)
Taurus Judge is a very good carry weapon, use shotgun shells first for car jacking and 45 caliber to finish the job if need be. the shotgun shell ability is excellent in self defense situation as aim is not as important.

I used to think the same thing till a friend showed me a .410 pattern at 6 feet. It was about 3" wide. So I guess it gives you about 2.5" more to miss and still hit your target.

spittinfire 01-02-2011 06:23 AM

I personally can't find a use for the Judge outside of snakes. A 410 is a poor choice for self defense even out of a full size shotgun let alone a 3" pistol. It does shoot 45LC but the design of the cylinder which is needed to accept the 410 doesn't lend itself towards accuracy. There are much better options out there, IMO.

Nomad1959 01-11-2011 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spittinfire (Post 64873)
I personally can't find a use for the Judge outside of snakes. A 410 is a poor choice for self defense even out of a full size shotgun let alone a 3" pistol. It does shoot 45LC but the design of the cylinder which is needed to accept the 410 doesn't lend itself towards accuracy. There are much better options out there, IMO.

:ditto: I agree. Practice with a caliber you can handle. IMHO, for concealed carry, nothing less than 38+P until smaller caliber ammunition can raise the bar. The idea is to stop the attack not just wound the attacker.

Hxcjohnny 01-11-2011 01:20 PM

I have my CC! I dont actually carry every day, but i have a G23

Nomad1959 01-11-2011 02:50 PM

Yes, I have a permit and I conceal carry a variety of handguns, depends on what I'm wearing and where I'm going. For the Walther PPS 40, my IWB is a tuckable unit from N82 Tactical. I am awaiting a Crossbreed Supertuck in horsehide. I have also ordered a Supertuck for my Glock 23. For OWB, I use a Fobus Evolution for the Walther PPS 40, Glock 23 and the Smith & Wesson M&P 40. For the Beretta PX4 "C" 40 I use a Blackhawk CQC.

spittinfire 01-12-2011 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nomad1959 (Post 67894)
:ditto: I agree. Practice with a caliber you can handle. IMHO, for concealed carry, nothing less than 38+P until smaller caliber ammunition can raise the bar. The idea is to stop the attack not just wound the attacker.

I agree. I wouldn't go any smaller then a 38 or a 380 if you prefer the auto flavor.

packbacker 01-23-2011 07:04 PM

I'm gonna take the class soon to carry....i read something in this thread about having to provide a copy of DD214. Anyone know why they require vets to do this?? Just curious??

neophyte 01-24-2011 03:54 AM

Dd-214
 
Mecklenburg County Sheriff; wants us to have ''honorable discharges''; another hoop jumping.

My renewal was turned in Dec. 8, 2010, it will be as much as 90 days from that time; before, I know whether mine has been rejected.

packbacker: Sir, follow up with your experiences. Thanks

joe-b 01-24-2011 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spittinfire (Post 64873)
I personally can't find a use for the Judge outside of snakes. A 410 is a poor choice for self defense even out of a full size shotgun let alone a 3" pistol. It does shoot 45LC but the design of the cylinder which is needed to accept the 410 doesn't lend itself towards accuracy. There are much better options out there, IMO.

I prefer ratshot shells in a snubnose for snakes. Easier to slip in a pocket and I can still switch to .357 for other uses.


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