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Old 06-02-2011, 03:35 PM  
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Bachmann's Stance on Evolution Demolished

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Michele Bachmann's Stance on Evolution Demolished by High School Student

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Michele Bachmann, as virtually everyone knows, is currently deciding whether she's going to make a run for the Tea Party, oops, I meant to say, Republican, nomination for president. What most don't know, though, is that her educational policies are being challenged by an amazing high school student from Baton Rouge, La. You should get to know this student, Zack Kopplin, and his efforts because he's likely to make a difference.

I've written about Zack previously because both his story and his commitment are incredibly impressive. As I first noted, he recently began an effort to repeal an atrocious stealth-creationism law in Louisiana. The law, the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008, encourages attacks on evolution to be taught in Louisiana's public schools under the banner of critical thinking. This is the only state law of its sort in the country and, as Zack so well points out, Louisiana students interested in science are being done a huge disservice by its very existence.

Zack hasn't been content to simply complain about an educationally irresponsible law, however. His organizational skills have been nothing short of phenomenal and he's gathered a collection of supporters second to none. His repeal effort has been endorsed by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the largest general science organization in the world with over 10 million members; the National Association of Biology Teachers, the country's main organization for biological educators; The Clergy Letter Project, an organization of more than 14,000 clergy and scientists recognizing that religion and science need not be in conflict; as well as a host of other scientific groups including the American Institute for Biological Sciences, The American Society for Cell Biology, the Society for the Study of Evolution, The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology and The American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. Additionally, the New Orleans City Council voted unanimously to support the repeal.

Zack's work didn't stop there. He wrote a petition that was adopted as Change.org's featured one of the week where it has amassed more than 65,000 supporters. And, as I reported in April, in his most extraordinary effort, he collected the endorsement of 43 individuals who won a Nobel Prize in science.

Which brings me back to Michele Bachmann. Not only is Bachmann a fan of creationism and its anti-intellectual offshoot, intelligent design, she's made some outlandish claims about the pseudoscientific subject. For example, she's asserted, "there is a controversy among scientists about whether evolution is a fact ... hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel prizes, believe in intelligent design."

Zack has now challenged Bachmann on her claims. Using a poker analogy and the huge number of scientists who have endorsed evolution, in general, and his repeal effort, in particular, Zack has written, "Congresswoman Bachmann, I see your 'hundreds' of scientists, and raise you millions of scientists."

Given the strength of the hand he has, he doesn't stop there.

For the next hand, I raise you 43 Nobel Laureate scientists. That's right: 43 Nobel Laureate scientists have endorsed our effort to repeal Louisiana's creationism law. ... Congresswoman Bachmann, you claim that Nobel Laureates support creationism. Show me your hand. If you want to be taken seriously by voters while you run for President, back up your claims with facts. Can you match 43 Nobel Laureates, or do you fold?
It would be difficult for someone with a sincere interest in science education not to take Zack Kopplin's challenge seriously. Having said that, I fully expect that Michele Bachmann will completely ignore Zack, the voice of the scientific community, the combined pleas of 43 Nobel scientists and thousands of religious leaders.

All of this reminds me of a Sunday afternoon a couple of years ago when I was in Lambeau Field with my two sons watching the Packers play the Bears. After a controversial and costly penalty was called against the Packers, the referee began to give a convoluted explanation of his ruling. The entire crowd of 73,000 plus was completely silent while the odd explanation was being delivered over the PA system. Then, all of a sudden, one fan with a booming voice that could be heard throughout the entire stadium shouted, "Stop making **** up!"

Representative Bachmann, I urge you to pay attention to that fan.
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Old 06-02-2011, 11:15 PM  
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The creationist and republicans have never worried about "facts", they often see "beliefs" as being equal to a "fact"..... so I don't see the republicans worrying about this, as long as they can spread their usual fear among the population their strategy will work fine....
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So you're against children being taught anything but evolution? They're both theories. Neither one can be proven/disproven definitively. I don't really have a personal vest in this - just playing devil's advocate.
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:26 AM  
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Well, I think the evolution thing is based on hard hitting science whereas the other is based more on faith.
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She, like Donald Sara and Charles, will never have a chance.
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Hard-hitting science or not, they're still both just theories. I don't understand the problem in giving kids both sides of the coin.
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So you're against children being taught anything but evolution? They're both theories. Neither one can be proven/disproven definitively. I don't really have a personal vest in this - just playing devil's advocate.


NO NO NO !!!!!!! you don't understand how science works apparently....

a belief or a hypothesis does not equal a theory...... A theory so something supported by factual evidence that suggests it is true but we don't have all the details like the theory of gravity, or any form of calculus or physics.

a theory does not equal a hypothesis, it's a common misconception but creationism is AT BEST a hypothesis and absolutely not a theory.


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Hard-hitting science or not, they're still both just theories. I don't understand the problem in giving kids both sides of the coin.
but it's not, they are both not theories, one is wishful thinking and one has tons of evidence where we do know much of the evolutionary theory for life has facts and evolution itself is a fact, it is just the theory of all life from a single organism that is a theory, but evolution is not debated amongst the vaste majority of biologists.

why not teach alchemy as an alternative to chemistry?
or guesstimating as an alternative to math?
fairy tales as an alternative to history?
so then why teach magic as an alternative to biology?

just because something is suggested as an alternative DOES NOT make them equals, especially when it's just mythology without the names and dates...
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So you're against children being taught anything but evolution? They're both theories. Neither one can be proven/disproven definitively. I don't really have a personal vest in this - just playing devil's advocate.
Jake, one has the weight of scientific evidence behind it. The other is a bible fable.
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I don't understand the problem in giving kids both sides of the coin.
It's Science. Science does not teach creation myths. If it did we would need to include the various native American creation myths, whatever passes as the Hindu, Sikh and various other religion's myths and of course my favorite....
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