Go Back   CityProfile.com Forum - Local City and State Discussion Forums > General Discussion > Religion / Philosophy
Click Here to Login

Reply
Old 06-03-2011, 03:08 PM  
Senior Member
 
Jake7's Avatar

Honolulu, Hawaii
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,294 | Kudos: +135
Images: 45
A theory is a proposed explanation - that's all. I'm not going to get into a discussion about the validity of either, because that's a different thread. They're both theories.

Sorry, no cute pictures
__________________

__________________
Discover Scentsy at Lucky Lucy Scentsy Products - an independent Scentsy consultant!


https://luckylucy.scentsy.us/Scentsy/Buy
Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2011, 03:40 PM  
Senior Member

Bristol, Tennessee
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,062 | Kudos: +48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake7 View Post
A theory is a proposed explanation - that's all. I'm not going to get into a discussion about the validity of either, because that's a different thread. They're both theories.

Sorry, no cute pictures
again I don't think you understand what a theory is in the scientific world: It's not a belief, or a feeling, it has real hard evidence to back it up.

A scientific theory comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena.[1]
__________________

Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2011, 04:11 PM  
Senior Member
 
BCboy's Avatar

Shuswap, BC
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 825 | Kudos: +30
Actually a theory is something you think mught be plausible, but are not sure about.

Theory | Define Theory at Dictionary.com
__________________
We do NOT need to raise taxes on the people. The government needs to spend less is the answer.
Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2011, 04:53 PM  
Senior Member

Bristol, Tennessee
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,062 | Kudos: +48
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCboy View Post
Actually a theory is something you think mught be plausible, but are not sure about.

Theory | Define Theory at Dictionary.com
ok, if you want to split hairs evolution is a "scientific theory", not a regular theory, as it meets the definition of having evidence to support it that is required to call it a scientific theory such as the theory of gravity, creationism does not meet the definition or standards of a "scientific theory" which means it has evidence to support it, I can see how some people don't understand the difference between the two.
Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2011, 05:00 PM  
Senior Member
 
Jake7's Avatar

Honolulu, Hawaii
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,294 | Kudos: +135
Images: 45
Were just talking about theories. Naturally, creationism isn't a scientific theory - that's the point.

So, as I said, do you think evolution should be the only theory taught?
__________________
Discover Scentsy at Lucky Lucy Scentsy Products - an independent Scentsy consultant!


https://luckylucy.scentsy.us/Scentsy/Buy
Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2011, 06:29 PM  
Senior Member

Bristol, Tennessee
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,062 | Kudos: +48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake7 View Post
Were just talking about theories. Naturally, creationism isn't a scientific theory - that's the point.

So, as I said, do you think evolution should be the only theory taught?
until there is another scientific theory on the same level as evolution in terms of evidence and such yes (what other scientific theories are there?). Keep in mind evolution in itself is an observable fact, the point of contention is that whether it is the only motivator of change
Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2011, 07:05 PM  
Senior Member
 
BCboy's Avatar

Shuswap, BC
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 825 | Kudos: +30
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedJeepXJ View Post
until there is another scientific theory on the same level as evolution in terms of evidence and such yes (what other scientific theories are there?). Keep in mind evolution in itself is an observable fact, the point of contention is that whether it is the only motivator of change
So in your theory, how did the earth get created, and where did the first plants, animals, humans, water, dirt, etc come from?
__________________
We do NOT need to raise taxes on the people. The government needs to spend less is the answer.
Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2011, 08:07 PM  
Senior Member

Bristol, Tennessee
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,062 | Kudos: +48
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCboy View Post
So in your theory, how did the earth get created, and where did the first plants, animals, humans, water, dirt, etc come from?
a scientific theory is not "let's just assume god pooped them out" it's based on evidence, we don't know all those details, however it is not the schools nor science's place to use mythology to create fairy tale stories about the earth, the only "proof" that creationists really have is that old books say it was created less then 10,000 years ago.....

scientific theory does not jump to assumptions and call them facts, nor should a schools place be to teach things that are not firmly rooted in evidence and call them science....

as to your question, plants and animals evolved from simpler organisms which began under very different conditions, if you go back far enough yes there is a hypothesis to explain the beginning but that doesn't mean all the observable parts of evolution is disproven and then we must believe in creation myths, it means the scientific theory needs more data to fill in the parts we don't know to make it complete.... and science has been progressing to find these answer... while creationism just says "god pooped it out"

one could ask the same of god? who made him? how did he become of nothingness? oh he was just always around? oh so matter couldn't have just "always been around" but god could?
Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2011, 09:01 PM  
mohel
 
blucher's Avatar

Keizer, OR
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 4,383 | Kudos: +123
Images: 99
We have numerous cultures who have studied astronomy, gravity, atomic physics and a heck of a lot more involving this universe and it's beginnings. That can't be compared to just another of the myriad creation myths.

These are a tiny fraction of the ones we could give equal credibility to;

Babylonian Creation Myth

African Creation Myth - Olori

Comparison of 4 African Creation Myths

Korean & Japanese Creation Myth comparisons

Navajo Creation Myth

Norse Creation Myth

Creation Myth from India

Japanese Creation Myth

Comanche Creation Myth

Chinese Creation Myth

Chelan Creation Myth

Pima Creation Myth

Mayan Creation Myth

Miwok Creation Myth

Scandinavian (Norse) Creation Myths

Salish Creation Myth

Australian Aboriginal Creation Myth

Hopi Creation Myth

Tahitian Creation Myth

Yokut Creation Myth

Comanche Creation Myth

Egyptian Creation Myths

African - Mande, Yoruba Creation Myths

Several different short Creation Stories

Micmac Creation Myth

Lakota Creation Myth

Several Creation Stories: India, Romania, Mongol, etc..

Chinese Creation / Flood Myth

Assyrian / Babylonian Creation Myth

Maori Creation Myth

Christian & Jewish Creation Myth (Genesis)

Aztec Creation Myth

Digueno Creation Myth

Apache Creation Myth

African Creation Myths

Dakota Creation Myth

Hungarian Creation Myth

Iroquois Creation Myth

Inuit Creation Myth

Huron Creation Myth

Hawaiian Creation Myth


That last one is nothing I'd mess with if I lived in Pele's shadow.
__________________
I'll believe corporations are persons when Texas executes one.: LBJ's Ghost
Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2011, 09:07 PM  
mohel
 
blucher's Avatar

Keizer, OR
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 4,383 | Kudos: +123
Images: 99
Creation myth

Creation myth
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Quote:
A creation myth or creation story is a symbolic narrative of a culture, tradition or people that describes their earliest beginnings, how the world they know began and how they first came into it.[1][2][3] Creation myths develop in oral traditions,[2] and are the most common form of myth, found throughout human culture.[4][5] In the society in which it is told, a creation myth is usually regarded as conveying profound truths, although not necessarily in a historical or literal sense.[4] They are commonly, although not always, considered cosmogonical myths?that is they describe the ordering of the cosmos from a state of chaos or amorphousness.[6] They often are considered sacred accounts and can be found in nearly all known religious traditions.[1][7]
Several features are found in all creation myths. They are all stories with a plot and characters who are either deities, human-like figures, or animals, who often speak and transform easily.[8] They are often set in a dim and nonspecific past, what historian of religion Mircea Eliade termed in illo tempore.[7][9] Also, all creation myths speak to deeply meaningful questions held by the society that shares them, revealing of their central worldview and the framework for the self-identity of the culture and individual in a universal context.[10]
Quote:
Classification



A depiction of Ask and Embla from a Norse creation myth.
Mythologists have applied various schemes to classify creation myths found throughout human cultures. Eliade and his student, Charles H. Long, developed a classification based on some common motifs that reappear in stories the world over. The classification identifies five basic types:[11]
Creation ex nihilo in which the creation is through the thought, word, dream or bodily secretions of a divine being
Earth diver creation in which a diver, usually a bird or amphibian sent by a creator, plunges to the seabed through a primordial ocean to bring up sand or mud which develops into a terrestrial world
Emergence myths in which progenitors pass through a series of worlds and metamorphoses until reaching the present world
Creation by the dismemberment of a primordial being
Creation by the splitting or ordering of a primordial unity such as the cracking of a cosmic egg or a bringing into form from chaos
Marta Weigle further developed and refined this typology to highlight nine themes, adding elements such as deus faber, a creation crafted by a deity, creation from the work of two creators working together or against each other, creation from sacrifice and creation from division/conjugation, accretion/conjunction, or secretion.[11]
An alternative system based on six recurring narrative themes was designed by Raymond Van Over:[11]
a primeval abyss, an infinite expanse of waters or space
an originator deity which is awakened or an eternal entity within the abyss
an originator deity poised above the abyss
a cosmic egg or embryo
an originator deity creating life through sound or word
life generating from the corpse or dismembered parts of an originator deity
[edit]Meaning and function

All creation myths are in one sense etiological because they attempt to explain how the world was formed and where humanity came from.[3] While in popular usage the term "myth" is often thought to refer to false or fanciful stories, creation myths are by definition those stories which a culture accepts as both a true and foundational account of their human identity. Ethnologists and anthropologists who study these myths point out that in the modern context theologians try to discern humanity's meaning from revealed truths and scientists investigate cosmology with the tools of empiricism and rationality, but creation myths define human reality in very different terms. In the past historians of religion and other students of myth thought of them as forms of primitive or early-stage science or religion and analyzed them in a literal or logical sense. However they are today seen as symbolic narratives which must be understood in terms of their own cultural context. Charles H. Long writes, "The beings referred to in the myth -- gods, animals, plants -- are forms of power grasped existentially. The myths should not be understood as attempts to work out a rational explanation of deity."[12]
While creation myths are not literal explications they do serve to define an orientation of humanity in the world in terms of a birth story. They are the basis of a worldview that reaffirms and guides how people relate to both the spiritual and natural world as well as to each other. The creation myth acts as a cornerstone for distinguishing primary reality from relative reality, the origin and nature of being from non-being.[13] In this sense they serve as a philosophy of life but one expressed and conveyed through symbol rather than systematic reason. And in this sense they go beyond etiological myths which mean to explain specific features in religious rites, natural phenomena or cultural life. Creation myths also serve as a framework for humanity's sense of self in terms of ultimate origins, shaping concepts of place, time and purpose in the world.[1]
[edit]
__________________

__________________
I'll believe corporations are persons when Texas executes one.: LBJ's Ghost
Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   CityProfile.com Forum - Local City and State Discussion Forums > General Discussion > Religion / Philosophy
Bookmark this Page!

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Suggested Threads

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.