Originally Posted by Hillman
Yes, that is as accurate as you'll be able to state it. Without faith in God, through Christ it is impossible for you to understand or even grasp the concept. At great risk I share this bit of scripture. If the following passage is not understood and accepted this exchange is moot.
By Faith We Understand
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
Again, my goal is not to convince but to clearly explain what I know
You honestly don't recognize the contradiction? You're saying that you, a man, an admittedly fallible entity, believe that you can not only recognize infallible truth, but that you have discovered it. You essentially claim that you cannot possibly be wrong about this, that the faith of a fallible man is somehow infallible.
I don't see how a fallible entity can validly claim the knowledge
you claim. Before we discuss the knowledge itself, can you demonstrate this?
I agree fully, faith is the substance of things hoped for
, and evidence of things not known
. This matches up perfectly with "assumption" as used in logic.
Logic uses assumption as a tool. "Assume the contrary" are the first three words of a large number of mathematical proofs. "Assume that the set of all prime numbers is finite". We don't yet know
whether this set is finite or infinite, but if we make the assumption that it is finite and that assumption leads us to contradiction, we know that assumption is false. Assumption isn't the basis of knowledge, but a tool to help us acquire it.
Religion, especially Christianity, uses assumption differently. "Have faith that it is true and it is true." Assumption isn't used as a tool, but as the foundation.