Climate change

[samfloor]

Climate change, what I think.

"The Earth has natural heating/cooling cycles. This is a normal heating cycle. In Missouri, this is one of the coolest summers we have had for years. Also one of the driest.
It was very hot here in the 1930s, the 1950s, the 1980s and 2008-2012. In between were years of very cool weather. About every 10 years almost exactly, we have floods.
The hot spells have not been any hotter than the older hot spells. The cool spells are not any colder than the older ones.
If you look back on the droughts out west, they have run in cycles. And they are trying to graze more and more livestock on the same acreage. So there is more loss.
Also the reason the fires get more press is because more people have built in the natural fire zones. Those areas naturally burn off every so many years in a cycle.
Just like there is more press about floods because more people are building in natural flood zones."

[lvcabbie]

This is absolutely against everything the Globull Warmists are trying to convince us of!

Don't you understand that Mankind is responsible for all of this?

We are the ones sending millions of tons of gases into the atmosphere that is causing all of this horrible weather.

Uh - wait a minute. Doesn't one single volcano send a thousand times more gasses into the atmoshpere in one month that all of Mankind does in a year?

[samfloor]

Climate change....brought to you by the same people who wanted to put methane collection bags on cattle.

[oldognewtrick]

Am I wrong in thinking that the ones making the most noise about climate change are the ones who would profit the moist from it?

[jambo101]

Not being a climatologist i can only go by the information i see.
This is what the scientific community is reporting.
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/
What expertise do i bring to the game to refute their findings?.

[samfloor]

There was a report that NASA/NOAA fudged the report and inflated numbers. But it doesn't really matter. The Earth has always had heating and cooling cycle. We were just due for a heating cycle.

[jambo101]

The question isnt so much about Earths cyclic climate change but more to do with whether mans activities are causing an abnormal rise in the current global warming phase ,
NASA and NOAA seem to think it is and i would suspect mans usage of 100 million barrels a day of oil cant have a positive consequences.
I dont buy this conspiracy theory that all the scientists involved with climatology are lying, it just doesnt sound like something the scientific community would do or tolerate..

[Eddie_T]

Originally Posted by jambo101

The question isnt so much about Earths cyclic climate change but more to do with whether mans activities are causing an abnormal rise in the current global warming phase ,
NASA and NOAA seem to think it is and i would suspect mans usage of 100 million barrels a day of oil cant have a positive consequences.
I dont buy this conspiracy theory that all the scientists involved with climatology are lying, it just doesnt sound like something the scientific community would do or tolerate..

They are not all lying, they just keep their thinking within a defined box. In some cases they don't dare think outside the box and in other cases they just see what they want to see. They practice consensus science which isn't real science.

As a retired NASA engineer I well remember both the ozone scare and the global cooling scare. Truth is that one cannot measure the accuracy of a laboratory from within the laboratory thus a CO2 increase cannot be proven to be causitive. For a laugh check out this 1975 Newsweek article "The Cooling World" http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

[jambo101]

Originally Posted by Eddie_T

They are not all lying, they just keep their thinking within a defined box. In some cases they don't dare think outside the box and in other cases they just see what they want to see. They practice consensus science which isn't real science.

Ed the scientific consensus is overwhelming, If you think scientists agreeing with each other (Consensus) isnt real science then we'ill have to agree to disagree =
http://www.ucsusa.org/ssi/climate-ch...sensus-on.html

More positive proof =
http://www.funpic.hu/files/pics/00029/00029517.jpg

[lvcabbie]

Latest AGW Guess

From Science Daily, comes this piece that -almost- accepts the facts that the experts still don't know what's causing all this extreme weather.

Weather extremes in the summer -- such as the record heat wave in the United States that hit corn farmers and worsened wildfires in 2012 -- have reached an exceptional number in the last ten years. Human-made global warming can explain a gradual increase in periods of severe heat, but the observed change in the magnitude and duration of some events is not so easily explained.

Read more @ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0811170106.htm