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OldCootHillbilly 07-08-2011 04:06 PM

Simply be another way ta take away rights. Not needed. Deal with the folks causin problems with laws already implace. Makin this more a police state all the time.

snowonweb 07-08-2011 04:15 PM

Alcohol is such broad topic, It includes beer, malt liquer and any other alcoholic beverage. I actually thing hard alcohol should be banned or at least more controlled. Perhaps only sold to establishments such as bars and night clubs, but not available for the public to buy at liquer store. Now each state has its own liquer laws. in NY beer can be bought at any convenience store while in CT alcohol only in Package Stores.

LostValley 07-08-2011 04:22 PM

Legislate what next?
 
Immediately after committing a 'too stupid for words' act in public O2 intake should be throttled back. Truly are far to many folks who just happen to be a waste of oxygen. Enjoy the w/e. Visit Lost Valley, lostvalley.4t.com or in San Jose.

mreilly 07-08-2011 04:38 PM

There is no reason to ban alcohol. Instead, just come down hard on drunken, violent behavior. Why punish everyone for the acts of idiots; just punish THEM harshly.

MDSBigPaPa 07-08-2011 04:44 PM

We went through prohibition once and it didn't work. It's just another Progressive way to eradicate freedoms. Yes, you will find one or two bad apples but, for the most part, folks know their limit and will be civil.

smurfjuice 07-08-2011 04:50 PM

Gawd, when will it end... :mad:... :dunno:

searlas 07-08-2011 05:01 PM

I am so anti-gov't rules AND I brew beer,,, BUT one of the main jobs of the gov't is to protect its citizens. I am torn here. I have lived in both places where you can drink in the parks and can't. I just see way too many lower income people gather in the parks/beaches and cause trouble w/o drinking,, add drinking and it gets worse. Go ahead and lite me up. I would like to hear some blunt opinions.

Slainte

yopauly 07-08-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyH (Post 115375)
I say no. I am not a drinker at all but I am sick of how legislation is big on Not enforcing the laws that exist and just make more laws that hurt everyone.
In this case. Cops should lock up the rowdies that get out of hand but let the casual, safe drinker enjoy a day off at the Park.
I hate that many Parks are closed at Sunset. I enjoy walking the beach and watching the sunset. Or walking the beach during a Full Moon. Instead of hammering the few bad eggs, they come along and say Parks closed at sunset. Spoils the fun for the innocent. Enforce the laws on the few and let 'the masses' enjoy themselves.
Brookhaven Township is famous for saying "NO" to everything that used to be fun just because it's easier then enforcing order.

I agree with TonyH. I don't drink at all but you should be able to drink responsibly. Throw the book at anyone that can't comply.

gregs887 07-08-2011 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by snowonweb (Post 115515)
Alcohol is such broad topic, It includes beer, malt liquer and any other alcoholic beverage. I actually thing hard alcohol should be banned or at least more controlled. Perhaps only sold to establishments such as bars and night clubs, but not available for the public to buy at liquer store. Now each state has its own liquer laws. in NY beer can be bought at any convenience store while in CT alcohol only in Package Stores.

This makes no sense at all. There is no difference between beer, malt liquor, or hard liquor. People will always find a way to get drunk. Instead of ruining it for the majority, enforce the laws on the books. Throw the book at drunk drivers, litterers, drunk and disorderly conduct, the problem will take care of itself.

redwood66 07-08-2011 06:10 PM

Stupid behavior will not be removed/stopped with legislation. All it does is hinder liberties of the majority who are law abiding citizens. As some have stated here we have laws already for public drunkenness/nuisance etc so a ban (on anything for that matter) never works. Except on the honest people. Once again I am glad I live in Idaho.

jmarks99 07-08-2011 06:18 PM

Shades of Prohibition! Just another attempt to erode our liberties in favor of a false sense of security. If we continue to allow the progressive drive in this country to control all aspects of our lives, because they know better than we do, we will no longer be able to make any decisions within our daily lives. To any who think this would be a good thing move to Beijing and see how you like living in a totalitarian country. We need to scale back on regulation and government. This type of over-regulation is what the framers of the Constitution warned us about! Read the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers and the Debates on the Constitution. Wake up America! By the way I don't drink alcoholic beverages.

Gun_Nut_2k1 07-08-2011 06:56 PM

I don't think we should have alcohol in public but I don't think it it the Governments place to say.

blucher 07-08-2011 07:14 PM

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Stupid behavior will not be removed/stopped with legislation. All it does is hinder liberties of the majority who are law abiding citizens
I managed clubs and you're right. One club had barely 21 kids and we staffed 7 large bouncers on all busy nights.

Next club the owner tells me I may not strike except in self defense because there they "restrained" the patron causing trouble. (I thought he was nuts)

He wasn't. No fights because the crowd was young professionals who understood you could drink without being loud or obnoxious. I only got to restrain 2 people over several years and the thief I would have hit anyway was "restrained" by my fast bartender before I got a punch in.

Booze is a serious chemical but most folks handle it fine. Kids as a general rule struggle for a bit but that's life.

RiponredTJ 07-08-2011 07:38 PM

It's about a 13 hour drive from Montreal to PEI. Whenever we go, there are a few nice rest stops we like to visit along the way.

There's a very nice one in Riviere du Loup, overlooking the St. Lawrence River before it becomes the Gulf of St. Lawrence.

We always stop there for a nice picnic lunch and my wife and I usually have a nice cold beer with our lunch while we are there. And we're not alone. A lot of other people apparently enjoy a beer or glass of wine with their lunch just as much as we do, after driving for 6 hours.

It appears that silly laws do nothing except create more innocent scofflaws.

stladrill 07-08-2011 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RiponredTJ (Post 115321)
It has been like that here for many years. It's not a bad thing imo, it keeps rowdyness and unsavory activities down.

People tend to still drink sureptitiously in parks despite the law, but it is much more subtle and less likely to get out of hand.

For more then 30 years now and I think its better this way.

JoeBronco 07-08-2011 08:37 PM

It like that here in CA... Pain in the arse but you learn to deal with it.

mkfarnam 07-09-2011 02:22 AM

I'm not against drinking. In my last post I was referring to Local bans voted in by the people.
When it comes to Government bans, I'm against it.

I thing the Government should focus on enforcing the Immigration Laws
before initiating other laws that won't be enforced.

ImJustAvg 07-09-2011 05:52 AM

I don't want amy more legislation that will be selectively enforced! Until the government starts enforcing laws that are already on the books, like immigration laws, there should be no new laws!

If someone wants to have a beer walking around the lake, who does it hurt? But an illegal immigrant here, steals a job, puts a burden on schools and medical services, and in some case fills our prisons.

mrmurdoc34 07-09-2011 06:59 AM

No I don't think it is a good idea. Arrest the few idiots and leave everyone else alone. If I want to drink a beer or two while having a party with friends at a park I should be able to do that.

Too man laws to govern everything in life.

Whats next? Ban the drinking of soda in public. No drinking coffee in public. Lets add another federal agency the The Bureau of Public Decency. BPD would be charged with enforcing any and all decency laws.

I don't think much of anything should be banned. Just as helmet laws and seatbelt laws. You are forced to think it is for everyone good. They are not, they are to make money for the city, county, state. That is all they are there for.

If someone gets drunk and out of hand arrest them and put them in the drunk tank and slap a fine on them.

Enforce all the idiotic laws we got ont he books now.

Speedbump 07-09-2011 08:18 AM

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Speedbump? Is that you? Welcome!
Hi Havasu, yup, it's me. I joined a while back, just had nothing to say. But when I hear about more regulation, I get all fired up. I have to go take my blood pressure medicine now.:confused:

Dakotanative 07-09-2011 11:06 AM

We blame alcohol for everything. We blame alcohol not the teens for teenage drinking. We blame alcohol not the drunk for drunk driving. We blame alcohol, not the responsible parties for one night stands. Alot of people in Washington State want to keep hard liquor out of grocery stores because kids will steal it. Hello! Where are their parents? Having worked at a convenience store for a few years, I can tell you that out of the dozens of beer thefts, one was by a minor. We shouldn't ban Fords because a few idiots don't know how to drive.

dcso580 07-09-2011 11:13 AM

No, but we need to handle the one's that are out of hand. Just like guns, it's not them that's the problem, it's the one holding it. And, here it is: If you ban alcohol, only criminals will have it! :)

Blank_doubt 07-09-2011 11:25 AM

I vote a LOUD ECHOING OBNOXIOUS NO to banning alcohol consumption in public!!

A line in Escape From L.A.: >>NOT verbatim<<
"NO red meat, NO tobacco, NO alcohol, NO promiscuity, NO drugs, NO violence, NO Free Speech, NO Guns, NO dissent, NO (other stuff, etc.)!! --stated by the president--

Snake responds with "Yeah, land of the free!!"
---
I propose that Books (see 1984 by George Orwell for example) and Movies (Too Many with the same NO RIGHTS theme) shall dictate the degenerative course that Humanity appears bent on applying and accepting with open yet bound at the wrists arms. --see the movie Idiocrasy for a probable future--
The Blinders and Gags will become glaringly obvious and some People will be or are already tethered.

Banning (Nice Town/City in southern California) Alcohol from Public view will NOT curb any desire for the Drug just like banning Tobacco in Public failed to stem a flow of People quitting smoking.
I smoke cigarettes and the only ban I'll honor regarding smoking is IN buildings (yet I smoke outside near entrances/exits just to irritate the anti-smokers), but I'll NOT quit smoking in Public or in my transport.

As George Carlin stated (as well MANY OTHERS for decades):
RIGHTS ARE NOT RIGHTS WHEN THEY CAN BE TAKEN AWAY!!
Our rights are man made and as such can easily be eliminated, AND every Country has different rights, some have more, some less.


What other degradations will WE THE PEOPLE have to suffer at the hands of our failing government like we've seen/witnessed in the 20th century??

I vote WE should bring back PUBLIC HUMILIATION as of the STOCKS like merry ol England had a few centuries past.
WE could easily construct such places and the costs would be FAR LESS than more jails and a few days to a week in the STOCKS would more than suffice for many first time offenders.

The government wants to ban alcohol from Public view/places, okay, fine, then if YOU work for the government, YOU will restrict YOUR usage of alcohol in Public, but LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE!!

--This message paid for by G.R.U.E.L.--
Grievances Resolved Utilizing Existing Laws

mrcoolface 07-09-2011 12:31 PM

"Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
? Thomas Jefferson

dhaymaker 07-09-2011 02:55 PM

There's a lot of good commentary here, both for and against the idea. My personal choice is NO, do not ban alcohol. All we're doing then is creating yet another law that will be ignored by many, and enforced by few. Why don't we enforce the laws on the books, really enforce the laws on the books, and make people responsible for their own actions. If you screw up, you should be punished, and that punishment should be equal for all not enforced based on how much money you have, whether or not your famous, or whether or not your daddy can get you a good lawyer and lean on people who are afraid of making the parent mad! 'Nuff said...:2c:

luvmyih 07-09-2011 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedbump (Post 115336)
I don't like giving up any of my rights. I've already seen enough of them taken by the Government. I don't trust them and I'm not going for anything they propose.

Im with you. This is supposed to be america

Magus 07-09-2011 05:14 PM

Nanny state on crack again. ::)

lukejack 07-12-2011 03:30 AM

alcohol @ tobacco picture i.d card
 
new law: must present it to buy. break certain laws, it is taken away for 30 days. part of the teaching system. fines or court costs will not teach people nothing. lukejack

extexanwannabe 07-12-2011 10:57 AM

The answer is obvious...NO! The federal, state, and local governments have already stomped on our constitutional rights. This would be another baby step towards socialism.

Gunner12 07-12-2011 02:00 PM

You can’t legislate morality even though they try!
If there are laws in place to control public intoxication, let that take care of the problem.
So then you can drink in public but if you have too many & get drunk you go to jail.
Most people will learn control this way.

Speedbump 07-13-2011 07:04 AM

It looks like the Poll says it all, it's pretty lopsided in favor of not banning alcohol. Or from reading some of the posts, not banning anything. I think most of us are sick and tired of the Govt telling us what's good or bad for us. It's time they got out of our lives and our business's.

Songbird 07-15-2011 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Speedbump (Post 116432)
It looks like the Poll says it all, it's pretty lopsided in favor of not banning alcohol. Or from reading some of the posts, not banning anything.

I think most of us are sick and tired of the Govt telling us what's good or bad for us. It's time they got out of our lives and our business's.


I couldn't of said it better myself. Very encouraging that people see EXACTLY what the commies are doing to us.

westneck37 07-15-2011 07:39 PM

In Close Quarters only.
 
I have a fear of Government Control of issues that are of a general nature. It reminds me of piggy backing important legislation with junk (a waste of tax dollars). I would, however, back legislation that bans alcohol in public where the public has few options and are at the mercy of stupid drunks. A sporting events is a perfect example (try attending an Eagles home game in Philadelphia when you are a fan of the opposing team). I have never seen a more desperate need to ban alcohol at a sporting event. I hope that the rude and disgusting actions experienced at Eagle home games are because of alcohol consumtion and not the norm.

gregs887 07-16-2011 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by westneck37
I have a fear of Government Control of issues that are of a general nature. It reminds me of piggy backing important legislation with junk (a waste of tax dollars). I would, however, back legislation that bans alcohol in public where the public has few options and are at the mercy of stupid drunks. A sporting events is a perfect example (try attending an Eagles home game in Philadelphia when you are a fan of the opposing team). I have never seen a more desperate need to ban alcohol at a sporting event. I hope that the rude and disgusting actions experienced at Eagle home games are because of alcohol consumtion and not the norm.

If you don't like drunk football fans then don't go to football games.

blucher 07-16-2011 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by westneck37 (Post 116979)
I hope that the rude and disgusting actions experienced at Eagle home games are because of alcohol consumtion and not the norm.

Nah, pretty much SOP for many in the City of Brotherly Love.

mrmurdoc34 07-17-2011 07:35 AM

If you can afford to go to a football game and Drink you must be haning out with Bill Gates. Even our Local team the cheap seats are $200+. SCREW THAT.

TonyH 07-18-2011 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by westneck37 (Post 116979)
I have a fear of Government Control of issues that are of a general nature. It reminds me of piggy backing important legislation with junk (a waste of tax dollars). I would, however, back legislation that bans alcohol in public where the public has few options and are at the mercy of stupid drunks. A sporting events is a perfect example (try attending an Eagles home game in Philadelphia when you are a fan of the opposing team). I have never seen a more desperate need to ban alcohol at a sporting event. I hope that the rude and disgusting actions experienced at Eagle home games are because of alcohol consumtion and not the norm.

I disagree with gregg887.. You should be able to go to any event and have a good time. Drunk and disorderly is not acceptable. Don't Ban Alcohal, Bring back big cops and night sticks AND USE THEM. Eventually people will get back in line...Consequences for stupidity seems to be missing in this day and age.

twisted 07-18-2011 09:50 PM

Why is is if 1 person doesn't like something it should be allowed? What ever happened to live and let live? No that's not good enough anymore! People have to try and force their beliefs on others and frankly in sick and tired of it! If I want to go to the park or lake and have a beer and a smoke its none of anybodies buisness but my own!!!!!!! If you don't like it don't partake in it! But leave me the heck alone you not my parents and I'm not a child! There are to many stupid laws already that go un enforced why not put a little effort into enforcment instead of more BS laws to make you feel better about yourself.


Rant off

Ceg 07-21-2011 11:02 AM

I am against any new law taking away rights. I see some replies where people think it is for public safety. I am out a lot on public lands and other public places that alcohol is being consumed and I know a lot of people who drink that are responsible drinkers. I have never seen any danger having the kids with me. I see big groups at day use parks or camped drinking and having fun hanging out with their friends and families. We go to a lot of places that server alcohol I have not seen any drunks causing problems in public in years. Then again I do not got to parks or bars on the bad side of town. Not because of drunks but just problem people in general. Alcohol doesn't cause problems, people do.

dcso580 07-22-2011 05:18 AM

I pretty much agreed with you until the last sentence. Alcohol does create problems. I deal with people on a daily basis that act like asses because of alcohol, which would not normally act that way. I have numerous friends who are great people, until you get a drink or two in them. BUT, I still think those people should be dealt with individually, just as we should deal with allot of other problems the same way. Government just don't have any business in certain things. When the iceburg tips to where there are more biligerent drunks than mellow one's, then the governement should step in.


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