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philby 07-21-2008 06:07 PM

When Hippies Ruled The Earth
Does anyone out there remember those halcyon days of yesteryear when San Marcos was in it's prime and hippies ruled the earth? I'd bracket that era as 69-78, but that's debatable. Rents were dirt cheap, weed was $10 an ounce (and not as weak as the MSM would have you believe), and smoked openly everywhere (cosmic corner on campus). Playboy listed SWT in the top 3 campuses for beautiful women 3 years in a row. The Weather Report was the local "underground" paper. The university president was forced to resign. The dean of students was removed from office. MDH ran for sheriff on "the mushroom party platform". CM was the cutest and smartest student body president any school could ever have. All the great restaurants sprang up then (not to say that Blue Goat Gourmet and Cool Mint Cafe are not worthy). Some of them have disappeared, Mosscliff and more recently Rivendell. It would be interesting to hear what you have heard about that era even if you weren't around then.

spud lumpkin 07-22-2008 09:47 AM

I see you borrowed my "when hippies ruled the earth" idea from the Rivendell thread. Fair dinkum. Dates are about right. Before the hippie era SWT was a s***kicker school. First hippie I saw in town was 66 or 67, by 70 they had taken over.

philby 07-22-2008 12:45 PM

Are you having trouble posting a reply? I have to try three or four times. I keep getting a "you are not authorized.." "log in" when I'm logged in. Hell, you can't even type a reply until you're logged in. Hit the post quick reply and get the above mentioned message. This could explain the lack of activity on this forum. You could get totally exasperated.

spud lumpkin 07-22-2008 01:02 PM

Yep, samey same. Don't know if it's a site, server or internet problem. Psychobilly Gates has launched an attack on his own XP operating system to retaliate for the world rejecting his screwed up Vista system. Causing all sorts of problems. The MSM won't talk about it because they've made him a god and he's got so much friggin money. The man is totally looney. Which reminds me, Snakeman was sighted recently at Rivendell. Apparently he was pissed it was closed and was banging on the door. Damn right, Re-Open Rivendell !!!

pythonlee 07-23-2008 04:14 PM

Hippie Haven
Hey, you boys have gotten a little off topic there. San Marcos town was a real hippie haven in the 1970's. The rednecks smoked dope. The frat boys smoked. Damn near every frat had a resident dealer. Anyone remember Roach? I'd say it was damn near paradise from 70 to 75. Slow downhill since then. First rule of paradise is that it can't be crowded. Hell, four or five people who were here then should be able to fill in most of what went on. I guess some things would be best left out like who the narcs were (several are still around who set up a lot of innocent people so they could make money - they were paid per conviction). Let's see how it goes and how far they will let us go. Onward, thru the fog.

spud lumpkin 07-24-2008 02:01 PM

SM in the 60's - Hell for Hippies
Yes boys and girls SWT was a kicker school in the 60's. SM town was redneck. The cops, DA and judges were bound and determined to save the world and nip the hippie revolution in the bud. Weren't many longhairs until 68 or 9. The cops were out to bust every one of them. Getting busted was a guaranteed conviction. If they didn't find weed, they planted some on you (always in a matchbox). There were at least two freelance narcs setting people up for fun and profit. At one party about 60 people were busted, all went to prison. Some of them had never touched drugs. Didn't matter, the drug warriors were on a roll and they believed they were infallable (still do). Despite the harassment the hippies kept coming to SWT. By the fall of 70 most of the kickers were gone and the hippie era was upon us. Veterans on the GI bill poured into town. Most of them smoked weed. Now it was getting a little dicey for the cops. You going to try busting combat veterans? Fortunately for them attitudes toward weed were changing nationwide and decriminalization was in the air. The dawn of the first golden era of San Marcos was upon us. Hell was over, hippies ruled the earth.

marilee 08-17-2008 02:57 PM

Best Mexican Food In Town When Hippies Ruled The World
I'll bet you could get a lot more hits on this thread if you renamed it - Best Mexican Food In Town When Hippies Ruled The Earth. Seems like this is a "where to eat" forum. Not what I'd expect in a college town. Maybe they all have the munchies

toerontoe 08-20-2008 02:07 PM

When Herbert's Ruled the Earth
Easy answer, Herbert's. In it's prime it was beyond compare and being stoned certainly enhanced the culinery experience. Pic-a-taco wasn't bad but was definitely outdone by Herbert's from the start. Before Herbert's, Pic-a fight (taco) was #1, although sometimes dangerous for long hairs if cowboys were around. Hence the nickname. And make no mistake, from 70-80 San Marcos was a hippie town and a better one than Austin or Ann Arbor. SM had more purist hippies than most places. They (we) smoked weed and did occasional psychadelics but didn't drink, do downers, speed or cocaine. There got to be lot of beer drinking dope smokers in the late 70's but they were never what I'd call hippies.

philby 08-20-2008 07:35 PM

Radio Kaos
I was just cursing the lack of interesting radio stations (KGSR is just too yuppie/trendy). Back in the 60's SM had KCNY, a 250 watt, sunrise to sunset station over on Uhland road. Around 68 I knew a guy who was a dj there. Someone played Mexican music in the morning, he played rock (elevators, spirit, j airplane, stones etc) and the sheriff came in and played country for the last couple of hours. They called it "the sound of San Marcos" and said "if you can see us, you can hear us", which wasn't always true. Then in 71 KRMH (103.5 now BOB FM), came on air, broadcasting from Buda. Good karma they called it and it was a perfect fit for the new era. The best radio station I ever heard. They were album oriented (AOR) and played anything if it was good. Everyone listened to Karma, frat/sorority, hippies, straights, young republicans, you name it. The music scene was at a peak; Stones were intense and degenerate, Tull was in their creative prime (Stand Up>Benefit>Aqualung), Zep ruled, F Mac (Then Play On), ZZ Top wasn't a boogie band yet (Francene- pure jailbait rock), J Winter and on and on. Real masters of rock who still tower over the fluffers of today. Now BOB FM plays oddities and things their dj thinks were big back then. The problem with satellite radio is that some idiot still has to pick the music and if they aren't familiar with it they will somehow inevitably play the worst song on an album. Being advertisement free can't cover that.

toerontoe 08-21-2008 07:18 PM

Radio Radio
Never heard KCNY, guess I was out of sight. But KRMH was kickass. Yer right, everybody listened to Karma. Don't remember which song, but the first one was by Jethro Tull. A bunch of us had heard about a new station and lit up and waited for it at midnight. FM was relatively new, at least in TX (71?), but we got it good with KRMH. They had a good long run, maybe 8-9 years before it started to slide. Speaking of music, Discovery was a pretty good record store for a while. Rock of Ages had a good name but didn't last long. Van Wilkes had a record store over near Happy Trails headshop. It didn't last long either. His prediction that he would have a record of his own in the racks did come true. Sundance Records (Bobby & Nancy?) was the primo music outlet. Still is. First place I saw import/collector albums. Damn good selection and as knowledgeable or more than French when he was at Discovery. I had a little girlfriend back in the day who said the four best restaurants in SM were Herbert's, Mosscliff, Rivendell and Sundance. She was of course referring to food for the body and the soul.

pythonlee 08-22-2008 08:17 PM

Back In '70
KRMH must have started in '71 or I somehow missed it. Things were changing fast in 70. Herbert's, Mosscliff and Rivendell hadn't opened yet. Gil's was peaking back then. A gil-a-monster, fries and tea was standard issue for the munchies. Amazingly, pretty much redneck landlords were willing to rent to hippies. And rent was damn cheap. Hundred bucks ABP for a two bedroom house. You could feel change in the air. The kickers seemed to vanish overnight (ghost riders in the sky). And the few you saw were actually friendly. Vets, myself included, were riding the GI bill and smoking weed on the government dime. I remember one old coot looking down from the top of the stairs in front of old main during class change saying "what the hell happened, it looks like it must have rained hippies". Hair grows fast.

philby 08-25-2008 02:27 PM

Misconceptions Re. Hippies
Dirty hippies- everybody puts down any group they don't like. Ever hear of a "cowboy shower"?, After rodeo, P.E., whatever, those guys would change to another starched shirt and starched jeans without a shower, but they'd soak themselves with Jade East cologne. That weird, sweet, superpowerful smell could knock a vulture off a s*** wagon at a hundred yards.
Tie dye- In the 60's and early 70's only narcs wore tie dyed shirts. It has slowly and strangely grown more popular since then.
Love beads- never knew any hippie guys who wore them. A few girls.
Lazy hippies- even in SM you had to do something to survive, unless you were on the GI bill. Many hippies became craftsmen, and the best in many construction trades. Stone(d) masons created much rock art from 75-86.
Some became great gardeners.
Hippies became yuppies- not one I knew. Some former longhaired, dope smoking, rich kids transformed into coke tooting yuppies. They were just being trendy. Yuppie was a more natural fit for them anyway.
Media image- movies, tv, whatever, distort for effect and because those involved are subject to the same ignorance and misconceptions as others. Hence, the dirty, lazy, love beaded, tie-dyed, "far out, groovy, peace man" hippie caricature.

toerontoe 08-28-2008 04:43 PM

Misconceptions Re. Marijuana
Seems like a good time to do this after your lead in, Philby.
1. Marijuana (MJ) is addictive - One of the defining characteristics of MJ is that it is not addictive. People with addictive personalities can have a problem with MJ or anything else.
2. MJ is a gateway drug - The whole concept of a gateway drug is false. Most MJ users don't do any other drugs. The strongest correlation between use of a drug and using "stronger" drugs is with alcohol and tobacco. There is no proof even there, it might be a spurrious correlation.
3. MJ makes you stupid - Stupid people, when stoned, will stand out more and thus become a stereotype.
4. MJ will make you more creative - Only if you're already creative.
5. MJ will make you lazy - It's used to energize oneself in many cultures and on many jobsites here. If you're too tired or just out of shape, yes.
6. MJ will make you paranoid - Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. Whatever you feel can be magnified while high. Play some music. Don't smoke where it's not safe.
7. MJ causes brain damage - Total BS. The only long term study on heavy usage (Coptic Study) showed no brain difference between users and non-users.
8. MJ causes lung cancer or any other physical problems - No scientific study that is repeatable and verifiable has proven any negative effects of MJ.
9. MJ makes men grow breasts - One can only imagine that they were trying to plumb the depths of public ignorance or gullibility. I only mention this because there are a number of obviously absurd claims about MJ.
10. MJ can kill you - There is no lethal dose of MJ/THC. Cops, DEA etc. especially if cranked up on speed, might do so, be careful.

A couple of excellent references are:
"Ganja In Jamaica", Vera Rubin
"The Emperor Wears No Clothes", Jack Herer

jeepster 08-29-2008 09:31 AM

Ten X As Strong
Any discussion of hippie days would have to include those marijuana myths. But, you left out the biggie that gets dragged out to explain why decrim was okay in the seventies but not now. 'Marijuana now is at least TEN times stronger than it used to be'.
Granted, home growers have tried to maximize yield and value by developing more potent hybrids. And many have done quite well in that regard. The Dutch have assisted with highly developed seeds. But the truth is that most grass on the market today is still your standard mexican dirt weed ranch stash, almost identical to average weed in the 70's. They also fail to mention the incredible early Columbian and Thai strains that are the equal or better of anything available now.
Technology is another factor. It is now possible to test for THC more accurately. However THC alone is not what gets you high. There are cannabinoids and cannabinoils that by their proportion to THC (pretty much equal amounts are best) determine the quality of the high. If the proportion is right, weed with low THC content can get you a lot higher than weed with a lot of THC that's out of balance with the 'oids and 'oils.
The biggest factor in the 10 X stronger argument is that it is another drug war lie. The drug war has become an industry with high profits and lots of jobs. We're all for jobs and profit, right.

semi-native 08-29-2008 09:45 AM

I'm for legalization, but I wouldn't say it is harmless. Few things are, though.

I knew a guy who smoked quite a bit and he would just talk to himself for hours and days on end. About anything. If other people talked to him, he'd talk to them, but he'd keep talking to himself at the same time. It was freaking weird.

Maybe it was just a coincidence.

brete 08-29-2008 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by semi-native (Post 6116)
I'm for legalization, but I wouldn't say it is harmless. Few things are, though.

I knew a guy who smoked quite a bit and he would just talk to himself for hours and days on end. About anything. If other people talked to him, he'd talk to them, but he'd keep talking to himself at the same time. It was freaking weird.

Maybe it was just a coincidence.

Some crazy people self medicate, pot is a much better home remedy than alcohol for most mentally disturbed people.

semi-native 08-29-2008 10:25 AM

You're absolutely right.

It was a mistake to assume (or even speculate) that the pot made him crazy. He could have been self-medicating or he could have just liked to smoke pot. Plenty of normal people do.

He sure was crazy, though. Just talking to himself all day long.

jeepster 08-29-2008 10:33 AM

Drain Bamage Happens
Regardless of the drug, it's always the freaking idiots who stand out and ruin it for others. He might have been doing other drugs too. It's also possible that he would have been worse straight.
The only harm possible using marijuana is smoke. Any smoke in your lungs will do some harm. Strangely, a study from the early 90's showed that smoking weed lessened the damage to lung tissue in people who also smoked tobacco. Go figure.
Once again technology has created a solution, vaporizers. They eliminate most of the useless smoke and make the stash last longer because you use less. Biggest drawback is that a good vaporizer will set you back over $500.
See Vaporizer on Wikipedia for a better explanation of how one works.
Legalization would be nice but I doubt if it'll happen in my lifetime.

toerontoe 08-29-2008 03:35 PM

Early 70's
Bars didn't come to San Marcos until about 74 (maybe 73). The first bar I knew of was the Nickel Keg half a block south of the square on LBJ. The city was in a "dry precinct" before that. The closest place to drink or buy booze was out 123 five miles at the county line. OST was out there, along with several liquor stores. Not a trip many hippies made. Socializing before bars was going to a friends house. Usually there was a designated hang out, normally a single guy's place, but not always. Preferably somewhere with a little privacy. A classic example was the "Psychotic Vet's Lodge #2" garage apartment behind Taco Torch. It was extremely rare not to be offered a joint when you walked in. You learned a lot about music because everyone would play their latest favorite record. Discussion was about the war, politics (local, college and national), weed and everything college students and hangers on still talk about today. SM was definitely uncrowded and much more laid back. Gil's Broiler and the nearby GM Steakhouse were popular with all students. When you walked into the GM the owner would yell "your order, please" before you could look up at the menu. He freaked out a lot of people. Hill's restaurant on the highway was a favorite of the greeks. Pic-a-Taco on Guadalupe was the only mexican food place I knew of back then. San Marcos was a totally different and in my opinion better place before bars, but then I don't drink.

blanket 08-29-2008 08:19 PM

info underload
I have tried for weeks to get dates specific to the events of which you speak on this thread to fill in all the blanks. I'm amazed how little info there is on sm on the net. Same for restaurant info. Most references to long gone restaurants are on here or out of date dining review sites. The dba list was useless, the nra (nat'l restaurant assoc.- eating out is fun) didn't know, bbb useless, the daily rec useless. San Marcos in the 60s and 70s is a black hole on the net.
One incomplete site on the McCrocklin affair. None on the dean who was run off. Nothing on the burning of the rotc bldg. to protest the war.
I thought you guys couldn't remember for the ahem usual reasons. But this is like the quest for the holy grail. If I ever find anything Ill jump back in. Don't hold your breath.

philby 08-29-2008 10:19 PM

The Hippie Golf Course and Apts.
On the northeast corner of Sessoms and LBJ where a shopping center now stands there was once (late 60's to 75) an abandoned miniature golf course. Behind it was an old house that was the hospital during the Civil War (according to an historical plaque). There were three other buildings with apartments in them (all totaled I think there were ten). They were old and funky, perfect for hippies. The clubs and balls for the golf course were still there and it was in good condition for playing. A round stoned was lots of fun but on acid it was awesome and mystical. A metaphor for life and the hidden repository of the secret sound key to the universe. When the wind blew through the little windmill just right it made the sound ommmmm. This little community was off limits to the smpd and they knew it. Weed was sold and smoked openly and there was an occasional acid party, usually with a large illegal bonfire. Munchies could be had at the Sac-N-Pac across LBJ or at Jon Bones (now Grins). The little house next to the sacypac briefly became Lucky Daniel's Bar. I don't think it lasted over four months. It was later the location of the first Schlotzsky's in town and then a short lived boutique and Wet Dreams Dive Shop after that. Plans for the shopping center brought an end to this little paradise in early 75. It was another ten years before construction actually began.

philby 08-30-2008 09:31 AM

The Marijuana Mansion
Located on the little triangular block bordered by Hopkins, Moore and North streets was a large old house that in it's prime must have been a real treasure. Unfortunately it had been allowed to deteriorate, historic preservation had not yet become popular. By the late 60's it was Animal House material. There were rumors that it was haunted but that's always conjecture. It did look like a haunted house. The condition of the place meant cheap rent and naturally hippies took up residence. It was loud and smoke filled most of the time. I never hung out there because it seemed like a hot spot in a busy location. I went there with a friend once to buy a pound. As we drove up we could see the stacks of lbs through the windows from the street. I guess the tenants weren't as paranoid as I was. I was told that the place was damaged (on purpose - as a diversion?) during the filming of "The Getaway", and torn down soon after. It was replaced by a used car lot. Urban renewal.

pythonlee 08-31-2008 08:42 AM

Botany 420 - Merry Pranksters
Your everyday mexican stash tends to be very seedy. True now and back in the 70s. It wasn't worth the trouble or risk of growing for use or profit when better seed was available. Since lots of this average seed was available something useful had to be done with it. It was decided that the campus needed greening. A favorite planting bed was under the SWTSU sign on the rock wall on LBJ below the old student union. At times up to five pounds of seeds were mixed in the soil. Early spring was the best time. We assumed the grounds crew knew what was going on because they appeared to maintain the plants. It's possible that the sheer number of plants and their rapid growth just impressed them and they didn't know. Marijuana doesn't look strange or illegal in the vegatative state. In any case they were usually pruned like a short hedge and most students didn't even notice. It wasn't until the Weather Report (local underground paper) ran a photo of them when they were in the more recognizable flowering state that they were removed. Seeding continued there for years. Another favorite location was the flower bed outside the window of the campus police office when it was in Old Main. This was usually done a handful at a time. A protest, a message and an embarassing photo. The hedge along the old gym (now the music bldg) on LBJ was pretty scraggly. It was filled in quite nicely with maryjane. Looked a hell of a lot better. There were numerous other locations on campus, and around town, that were seeded regularly. The best places were where they would be watered routinely. The stories of just throwing out seeds and coming back nine months later to harvest a crop have always been a lot of bull.

blanket 08-31-2008 02:06 PM

redneck, beer drinking, dope smoker
i never was a hippie but looking back over the years i think they were the best people to have ever lived here. when yoda(?) said 'there is no try, do', i had a whoa! moment. i'd heard a hippie say about the same thing round 75. there were clogged up creekbeds and overgrown woods that something needed to be done about. he didn't go to the city council, try to get it listed, studied, funded, scheduled. he just started doing it. he did it for 20 years that i know of. might still be doing it. point is he did what needed to be done. a lot of hippies were like that. if you needed something and you connected with the 'grapevine' it got to you. if something needed to be undone, they could come up with embarassing conflict of interest or other info. they didn't win every battle but they never backed down. if half the people who put them down were half as good as the hippies this town would be twice as nice. pardon the high school yearbook rhetoric.

jeepster 09-16-2008 03:43 PM

Black Hole

Originally Posted by blanket (Post 6127)
I have tried for weeks to get dates specific to the events of which you speak on this thread to fill in all the blanks. San Marcos in the 60s and 70s is a black hole on the net.

Neither the Daily Wreckord nor the University Star have seen fit to archive the 60s or 70s on the net. Microfilm at the library is full of holes, some pages/articles are blanked out.
Only individuals with old papers can provide what little and vague info was published on things like: the burning of the ROTC building, anti Viet Nam war protest marches, the removal of the dean of students, the war between blacks and Vietnamese at Camp Gary (the Vietnamese by all accounts won), the gang rape in the mud of the drained pond around the speech and drama building (late 70s), etc. It's been swept under the rug.

There is a thesis on file about the McCrocklin dissertation plagiarism:

And an article on the "San Marcos 10", 30 years later:

Other sites with some local history have disappeared recently, not necessarily in a suspicious manner. Just what happens to small sites with little or no traffic.

toerontoe 09-17-2008 12:03 PM

pollution solution
Among the many swept under the rug items in SM is the infamous wide-lite solvent pollution at the closed dump by Camp Gary. An Austin news crew covering the closing of the dump accidentally discovered a truck dumping solvent (pcb) there and took a sample. What little local coverage there was amounted to damage control. As I recall they did not have permits to use and certainly not to dump pcb. The city water pumps were very close. I know a lot of people who started drinking bottled water then and still do. Apparently the illegal dumping had gone on for years.

semi-native 09-17-2008 01:18 PM

Gang rapes, riots, burning buildings, toxic dumping, yeah, those sound like the good ol' days.

How can we get back to that?

toerontoe 09-17-2008 02:22 PM

Good Ol' Days
"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it."
also cited as-
"Those who do not learn from the past, are condemned to repeat it."

"We" aren't trying to get back to the past, we want everyone to learn from the good and the bad to make a better future. Ignoring what was bad invites the repeating as warned by George Santayana.

It's unfortunate but true that much of the best change comes only in reaction to bad circumstances. In the long run bush the lesser may have done more for clean energy, clean air and a green economy than all the activists of the last forty years. Where could we be now had we gone down that road forty years ago. Even T. Boone Pickens has seen the light and probably a chance to make a lot of money in a bright green future. Nothing wrong with profit if it helps us all.

brete 09-17-2008 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by toerontoe (Post 6268)
Even T. Boone Pickens has seen the light and probably a chance to make a lot of money in a bright green future. Nothing wrong with profit if it helps us all.

T. Boone Pickens has found a way to pump West Texas dry if he can get the right of way cleared through power lines for wind power. After Senator Duncan (State Senator Lubbock) fixes the loophole Pickens got put in the electricty bill let's see how much enthusiasim he keeps for wind power.

toerontoe 09-17-2008 04:04 PM

War For Wind
Texas isn't the only place with wind.
Pickens is just an example of the fact that at long last alternative and clean energy are finally being encouraged, accepted and invested on a large scale.
His personal success or failure is of no interest to me.
Solar and wind power are as clean as we're going to get.
Specifics are for the specialists, investors and nitpickers.

Point is, this is another thing the damn hippies were right about so long ago.
(Just to tie this back into the thread.)

semi-native 09-17-2008 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by toerontoe (Post 6268)
"We" aren't trying to get back to the past

I didn't say that "we" were trying to get back. I merely asked how "we" could get back, because it seemed that "we" were fond of talking about how awesome everything was back then.

Or, perhaps I misunderstood what "we" meant, when "we" said:

"Does anyone out there remember those halcyon days of yesteryear when San Marcos was in it's prime"

Wait, which one am I again?

brete 09-18-2008 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by toerontoe (Post 6270)
Point is, this is another thing the damn hippies were right about so long ago.
(Just to tie this back into the thread.)

Come on you stole those ideas from a bunch of Sci Fi nerds. :)

waltripcrew 11-21-2008 04:43 PM

more memories
I smiled through most of this thread. So many happy memories of the early 70's. I spent alot of time along the rivers but only as a visitor, I was living on lake Austin in the Riverhills Rd Bar and Pier area. Alot of parties in SM the rivierhills area and Paleface park up on Travis. Living out east now and wishing I was back in TEXAS.

Unregistered 11-23-2008 11:31 PM

Dr. Tim Leary
I heard Tim Leary spoke at SWT a number of times in the seventies. Any of you old hippies know about that? Is it true he did acid with Leon Jaworski at the Jaworski ranch in Wimberley and partied in San Marcos frequently? I think you guys aren't telling us all the good stuff.

aquarena dave 05-13-2009 10:22 PM

1975 there was a cave near the san marcos military academy that we used to smoke out in. Jackson Hall's windows were still operational and it was fun gettin stoned and throwing firecrackers out the 8th floor window at some poor student that had just walked up hill from old main in the 100 degree heat. Happy Trails was a great head shop. Fools rocked the Too Bitter, and Bugs Henderson was great at the Cheatem Street Warehouse. The best thing about the whole area was jumpin in to the San Marcos River at 12 midnight just below Spring Lake. There was a rope swing on that big tree near the spillway, and a underwater playground! Mushrooms were great!

demona 02-14-2011 02:28 PM

mosscliff reference
I worked at mosscliff in1977/78, and lived in the upstairs of a house on the corner of hutchison and ?. It was a really fun time...and I loved the location and ambiance of the restaurant.

tbyrdrenken50 04-27-2016 10:07 AM

I actually worked at Mosscliff. Worked summers when I was in high school and then after I graduated for a bit. It was an awesome and unusual place to work. For the most part I have very fond memories. I agree, those were the best of times..............we could all live inexpensively and the river was everyone's meeting place. Somehow we all found each other despite not having a GPS, Facebook or even a cell phone. Back then we had real conversations.

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