Vote for Vision! - Page 4 - San Marcos, Texas

semi-native · 02-14-2008, 05:04 PM

Do you have any ongoing involvement with this project, or are you out of the loop now that the students have voted?

SeanW · 02-14-2008, 05:45 PM

I just sent you a PM semi with the lowdown on that so look out for it.

bc1192 · 02-15-2008, 01:14 AM

can i get a copy of that sean?

brete · 02-16-2008, 06:28 PM

Let's see about 25 years ago we (the students then) were told that SWT would seemlessly make the transition from Division-II powerhouse to Division IA power house and in 10-15 years we would be a competive Division I school in the Southwest Conference and everything. Worked out well. You know what really worked for schools like UConn and Georgetown, was building their name through less expensive sports like Basketball and such. We have a baseball team that is competitive with National powerhouses like UT and Rice, why not invest wisely.

cm1277 · 02-19-2008, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semi-native

Competitive?

2007
McNeese State 7-0 / 11-1
Central Arkansas 5-2 / 6-5
Sam Houston State 5-2 / 7-4
Nicholls State 3-4 / 6-5
Texas State 3-4 / 4-7
Northwestern State 3-4 / 4-7
Southeastern Louisiana 2-5 / 3-8
Stephen F. Austin 0-7 / 0-11

2006
Texas State 3-3 / 5-6

2005
Texas State 5-1 / 11-3

2004
Texas State 3-2 / 5-6

2003
Southwest Texas State 1-4 / 4-8

2002
Southwest Texas State 1-5 / 4-7

2001
Southwest Texas State 0-6 / 4-7

2000
Southwest Texas State 5-2 / 7-4

1999
Southwest Texas State 2-5 / 3-8

I'd love to have a competitive FBS team, but we're pretty far from that.

I also liked this quote:

Perhaps the university will start to embrace the city and the former students in their effort to build loyalty.

FBS quality players and coaches want to be at FBS schools. We lose countless numbers of players to other schools for this reason alone. Also, FBS schools can give more scholarships and can recruit for a longer period of time.

semi-native · 02-19-2008, 08:50 AM

Right, but we're operating under the same constraints as the teams that wax our ass every year.

It's already been established that we need to compete at this level before we will be allowed to move up, so the debate about why we aren't competitive is moot.

semi-native · 02-19-2008, 10:11 PM

Which is not to say that we will not be competitive over the next 5 years; just that we aren't now and haven't really been (consistently) in a long time.

bc1192 · 02-20-2008, 05:22 PM

Alright so Texas State football hasn't been as competitive as people would like it to be for the last few years, but what about the other sports? This whole thing will effect us too, we will be put in a better conference and have better competition and bigger teams to play against. And guess what...we've been competitive in the past. Volleyball - won the Southland Conference tournament 2 out of the last 3 years, Softball - they came out second in the conference tournament almost making it to the college world series, Soccer - yes this year wasn't the best, but last year they came out second in the conference tournament, Golf - men's and women's I'm pretty sure they do well every year, Baseball - I'm not to sure how they finish each year but I do know that they compete with some great teams, and even beat some ranked teams.

I just wish people would look at all the other sports this University offers and not just base the whole thing on Football. Texas State is competitive in a lot of sports, even if football isn't the best!

semi-native · 02-20-2008, 05:28 PM

Fair enough, but the original poster was talking about football and the analysis of the potential move to Division 1 said that the other programs would need to remain competitive and the football program would need to become competitive.

It is possible that nobody is talking about the other sports, because football is such a big deal, or because football is potentially (ironically) what will keep us from moving up.

eljefe · 02-20-2008, 08:48 PM

Personally, I'd like to see the emphasis put on some of the other sports. As Brete said, UConn and Georgetown have done well using Basketball as their marketing tool. I'd add KU. Why is football the only sport? Let's be honest. The whole Div. I thing is about marketing. I want to see us marketing the quality (and getting even better) educational opportunities we have here. I don't like the blind support and singular focus on football. There's a decent editorial on the subject here. Let's push basketball and baseball, where there is room to develop a nationally ranked team. The football field is full up. It would make much more financial sense to concentrate on other areas.