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Old 07-17-2011, 01:20 PM  
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It would be great if the oil companies take responsibility and SPEND MONEY ON BETTER MAINTENANCE OF THE PIPES. but the money god rules! GREED, GREED! Ruin the environment , its the same with the coal fat cats, blow up mountain tops , destroy everything in a way. Why cant they work on alternative energy developements?
Greed .As long as the polititians can line their pockets with Corporate money , they dont give a hoot.
People get lost in the politics of the issue but it's not really about politics. It's about humanity and it's failings. Greed is culturally sociopathic but then so is laziness. Communism relied on all for one but there were too many lazy folks happy to watch others do the work.
Capitalism also fails since nothing is in place to temper the greed of a few. For these types profit is it's own excuse no matter the results or future ramifications.
People need an economic system not reliant on human frailties being overcome. Failing that we would need checks & balances not solely in the hands of those not profiting from the same behaviors. Neither 20th Century system proved viable.
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Old 07-17-2011, 05:52 PM  
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The "pristine scenery" is in trust for coming generations. Fossil fuel addiction will be a cancererous blip in our History.
The pristine scenery will be preserved for the elite since no one but the elite will be able access it. The Majority of future generations, as now will never see or enjoy anything more than what is visible from the perimeters.

Ever see handicap access in a wilderness area. Do you think Grandma will really be ever be able to enjoy ANWR.

The environmentalist are exclusionist. The Oil companies(resource users ) are exploiters.

And, both groups are extremist. The extremism of these two groups will assure that the middle ground where the resource is utilized for the benefit of all will never happen.
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Old 07-18-2011, 12:22 AM  
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Ever see handicap access in a wilderness area. Do you think Grandma will really be ever be able to enjoy ANWR.
Yellowstone had wheelchair access in places I wouldn't go. The true concept of wilderness is inaccessibility. This preserves it's habitat as well as it's ambience for those who loathe a KOA.

We have no reason to destroy millions of years of natural wonders for short term OIL PROFITS.

ANWR is not a tourist destination for anyone.
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Old 07-18-2011, 08:06 AM  
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The true concept of wilderness is inaccessibility. This preserves it's habitat as well as it's ambience for those who loathe a KOA.

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What use is it,
Total preservation, just as stujpid a concept as clear cutting and strip mining.

Both camps are greedy exploiters.
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:58 AM  
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What use is it,
Total preservation, just as stujpid a concept as clear cutting and strip mining.
That which the Lord gave us wass already perfect. It suffers when the land is subdivided into macadamed parking slots for cars & popups.

Many types of animals and birds can only survive with large tracts of undeveloped land. The very experience of nature is ruined by trash and careless pollution. Even Everest is a trash heap from discarded equipment. We need pristine wilderness if we're stewards of the land.
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I agree blucher . Who had benefitted from the destruction ?when all wilderness is gone and along with it all the creatures that had relied on it for food , nesting , and survival.
It is a very few wealthy individuals , as always had been. The dumping of industrial wastes in the rivers many years ago, the destruction of habitats, that is of no consequence to these corporations or individuals . Profits at all cost, what matters.
We must not allow these areas to go extinct, and die, not only the wilderness but even the areas surrounding us, where we live. We must leave more than videos of nature for the coming generations. Our scientist must search for alternatives. Sure, would the big oil want to loose billions of revenues?
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