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Old 10-13-2013, 12:02 AM  
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As Freedom Wanes

As we lose our freedom consider what two former presidents had to say, I think both seem to be on target with their comments.

Bill Clinton seems to think with time we will get used to socialism,

“I just think that when all these dire predictions don’t come out, if they don’t — I believe that pretty soon, within the next several years, this will be like Medicare and Medicaid. And it’ll be a normal part of our life. And people will be glad it’s there.”

Ronald Reagan had this to say,

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."

"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!"
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:18 AM  
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Well said Eddie. I went over to a friend's house last night for a beer, and his Obamma loving wife and I got into it pretty hard. Boy, was it ugly!
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Old 10-13-2013, 11:28 AM  
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Dr. Ben Carson says is Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...thing-slavery/
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Old 10-13-2013, 02:23 PM  
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Just for information. What do YOU find wrong with Obamacare? And I don't want a quote from someone else.
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Old 10-13-2013, 05:25 PM  
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I don't like it primarily because it is just a Robin Hood plan. It robs from the rich, and gives to the poor, just like everything else this administration has done.
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Old 10-13-2013, 06:29 PM  
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What I don't like is that it's a budget buster, it requires everyone to purchase healthcare insurance, insurance rates in NC are predicted to rise fourfold, it required many waivers to buy votes, it is costing jobs and work hours as employers use part time employment to escape it, it's a thinly disguised move toward socialism and the only cited "good news" is that deadbeat kids can stay on parents insurance until age 26 and doing away with pre-existing conditions (both of which could have been handled a different way for less cost). There's more but I don't feel like reading the massive bill and trying to convince anyone.
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Old 10-13-2013, 06:42 PM  
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Just for information. What do YOU find wrong with Obamacare? And I don't want a quote from someone else.
I don't like it because I received a letter from my health insurance carrier that said they will be withdrawing my coverage on Jan. 1, 2014. I called them and asked why. They said it doesn't comply with the new federal health law from Obummer. They also said they had health plans that comply with the new federal law and that they could get me into one of these plans. They have the bronze, silver and gold plans available that are the new government accepted standards for the PPO plans they offer.

The bronze plan has an annual deductible of $5000.00 before it pays 60% of the bill then it pays 100% after you exceed $13,500.00 in expenses. It costs $498.00 a month.

The silver plan has an annual deductible of $2000.00 before it pays 60% of the bill then it pays 100% after you exceed $6500.00 in expenses. It costs $644.00 a month.

The plan I had has an annual deductible of $3300.00 before it pays 60% of the bill then it paid 100% after you exceeded $5200.00 in expenses. It cost $375.00 a month.

So if I go with the bronze plan they offer it will cost me $123.00 more a month with quite a bit less coverage.

If I go with the silver plan they offer it will cost me $269.00 more a month with a tad less coverage.

So much for being able to keep the coverage you had as per Obamma and so much for it being less $$$ as per Obamma.

I have checked prices with other carriers for a federal approved PPO plan and they are literally within a couple of dollars of what my existing carrier quoted me.

To say the least I am a little p!ssed and have a bit of the red a$$ with this Obummer care horse pucky.
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This from the Charlotte Observer;
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Across North Carolina, thousands of people have been shocked in recent weeks to find out their health insurance plans will be canceled at the end of the year – and premiums for comparable coverage could increase sharply.

One of them is George Schwab of Charlotte, who pays $228 a month for his family’s $10,000 deductible plan from Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina.

In a Sept. 23 letter, Blue Cross notified him that his current plan doesn’t meet benefit requirements outlined in the Affordable Care Act and suggested a comparable plan for $1,208 a month – $980 more than he now pays.

“I’m 62 and retired,” Schwab said. “This creates a tremendous financial burden for our family.

“The President told the American people numerous times that… ‘If you like your coverage, you can keep it,’” Schwab said. “How can we keep it if it has been eliminated? How can we keep it if the premium has been increased 430 percent in one year?”

Schwab and others who purchase insurance individually, and not through employer-sponsored group plans, are finding that the Affordable Care Act may be unaffordable for their families.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...#storylink=cpy
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:53 AM  
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I am not sold on Obamacare either. I do think that something needs to be done. We have one of the most flawed health care systems in the world.
I can give one personal example. My stepson is totally blind at age 34. He worked full time until his eyesight got so bad, his employer let him go. His eyesight could have been saved with medical care. Insurance was not available through his job. He was turned down for Medicaid numerous times. He was turned down for Social Security disability for 5 years. The doctors now say that it's too late. Nothing can be done.
Support for Obamacare seems to be divided along party lines.
I don't know what the answer is, but something needs to be done.
People die every day due to lack of medical care.
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I agree that the system is flawed Rusty. The problem is, do you want the medical system controlled by the same people who ran the US Postal Service into the ground? Ignoring the high costs of Obama Care, do you really want the government deciding which treatment you deserve, or should not get?

Here in the Los Angeles, we have 5-10 million undocumented aliens, and nobody gets turned down for medical treatment when they go to a county hospital. Why didn't he pursue this type of medical care?
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