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Old 06-10-2011, 10:21 PM  
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Cable, Complete Gyms, Libraries, 3 HOT Square Meals, a Bed, a Roof, Self-Help Groups, Churches... and the list goes on.
Are they accepting applications?
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:39 PM  
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Prisoners have:
Cable, Complete Gyms, Libraries, 3 HOT Square Meals, a Bed, a Roof, Self-Help Groups, Churches... and the list goes on.

Many citizens who don't commit crimes don't have HALF of these luxuries.
Agh why not. Those crooks on Wall street got all of the above plus bailed out and bonuses too.
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:07 PM  
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Splain me sumpthin???

The cops are catching flak for getting tough on identity theft because some claim "those are white collar crimes". huh?

If I'm Bernie Madolf and I destroy the lives, security & retirement of thousands of honest folks I should get a break because I didn't use a gun or a lead pipe?

I was taught the punishment should fit the crime. In the 21st Century Wall Street has surpassed the wildest dreams of La Cosa Nostra at grand theft and those few who get punished get country club jails.
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Old 06-11-2011, 08:09 AM  
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I see what the ACLUs gameplan is and honestly its how things work. For a classic (seedy) example, flip on your TV to a show like Pawnstars, or Hardcore Pawn. Hell, even just flip on the news for a court case of sorts.

The reason I mention these shows is because its a decent demonstration of achieving something better via negotiation. Does the ACLU seriously believe for a second (or even want) porn in prisons? I doubt that highly. BUT, they have to ask for WAY more than they can get so it can be negotiated down to something that everyone can agree on.
You ask for the moon on a stick and get a moonbeam.
Both are 'winning'
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Old 06-12-2011, 09:58 AM  
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The ACLU protects the civil liberties of AMERICANS.
You may not personally ever need their help in your lifetime, but they are there, protecting your freedoms ANYWAY.
In Kalamazoo, MI. last year, a GOD fearing Christian who had worked for Waltuckies for 23 years was fired.
He had a near perfect work record and got an award for his work ethic just months before.
He developed brain cancer and began using medical marijuana to treat the pain and get his appetite back after chemotherapy. He never used at work, and he never used before he went to work, so he wasn't HIGH on the job.
Who do you think went to bat for this poor bastard?
That's right, the ACLU!

Most people seldom think about our prison system, mostly because they have nothing to do with it. They're happy just to sit back and complain about what prisoners get, and never think about if there is a better way.
Still, there is much for them to think about in economic and social terms.
On average, it costs the American taxpayer (you and me) $41,000 per year to house an inmate.
Over half of our prison population consists of NON-VIOLENT drug offenders.

Wouldn't it serve our communities, and the families, to put these people through rehab, give them skills to get a job, help them secure some decent clothes and transportation?

ALL of that would cost the taxpayer less than $41,000, and we may get a productive contributing member of society out of the deal.

STOP the war on America's families and communities.
STOP the drug war.
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Old 06-12-2011, 08:01 PM  
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The ACLU protects the civil liberties of AMERICANS.
You may not personally ever need their help in your lifetime, but they are there, protecting your freedoms ANYWAY.
In Kalamazoo, MI. last year, a GOD fearing Christian who had worked for Waltuckies for 23 years was fired.
He had a near perfect work record and got an award for his work ethic just months before.
He developed brain cancer and began using medical marijuana to treat the pain and get his appetite back after chemotherapy. He never used at work, and he never used before he went to work, so he wasn't HIGH on the job.
Who do you think went to bat for this poor bastard?
That's right, the ACLU!

Most people seldom think about our prison system, mostly because they have nothing to do with it. They're happy just to sit back and complain about what prisoners get, and never think about if there is a better way.
Still, there is much for them to think about in economic and social terms.
On average, it costs the American taxpayer (you and me) $41,000 per year to house an inmate.
Over half of our prison population consists of NON-VIOLENT drug offenders.

Wouldn't it serve our communities, and the families, to put these people through rehab, give them skills to get a job, help them secure some decent clothes and transportation?

ALL of that would cost the taxpayer less than $41,000, and we may get a productive contributing member of society out of the deal.

STOP the war on America's families and communities.
STOP the drug war.
They went to bat on gun rights in 2009 for Errol Houston, a man who surrendered a gun pursuant to an arrest during a traffic stop in . Despite the prosecutor declining the case, the police and the prosecutor refused to return the firearm.

They helped Robert Weinstein recover his guns after the Broward County Sheriff's office confiscated them in 2010.

In 2007, they supported Alexander M. Say, a British national and permanent US resident (living in Kentucky for the past 15 years) after Kentucky enacted a law prohibiting him from carrying a firearm.

The ACLU supports the bill of rights. 5 of the 10 amendments specifically address the rights of those accused of crimes. The first amendment protects the rights of people to say things that other people don't want to hear. OF COURSE they are going to support unpopular issues. We're not supposed to like the PEOPLE and CAUSES they support; we're supposed to like the CONSTITUTIONAL VALUES they support. They act as an important check against abuse of authority.

The ACLU embodies the idea:
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He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. --Thomas Paine
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You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free".
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Old 06-12-2011, 10:44 PM  
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BUT, they have to ask for WAY more than they can get so it can be negotiated down to something that everyone can agree on.
You ask for the moon on a stick and get a moonbeam.
Both are 'winning'
Never thought of that but I think you're right. The ACLU couldn't give a hoot about prison pron but negotiation looks exactly like this.

Prison scares me because I'd be bored. I could get books but before getting a computer I needed memberships at 5 libraries. There is no way prison could or would care to keep up.
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Old 06-12-2011, 11:00 PM  
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STOP the war on America's families and communities.
STOP the drug war.
Just imagine the money saved just by ending drug crime. Almost every other episode of "COPS" has a cop repeating, "it all goes back to drugs".

How the heck can we keep drugs away from kids when pretending a failed drug war is working is putting drugs in their reach by growing a black market supply chain?

Those who call it condoning drug use miss the point entirely. Legalization would reduce the black market to almost nothing, end drug crime and save our country BILLIONS in prison costs, manpower needs and human potential. Rehabs cost a tiny tiny fraction of our present costs.

Can you go anywhere you wish in the nearest large city? Are we burying kids that OD'd on something no one adequately explained to them?

Some of here even remember beat cops with a smile and a nightstick in our neighborhoods. As a kid my cop was Swede the Chief of police (he had one deputy). Swede waved at me and stopped to chat if I waved him over. As a kid I felt safe.
Today there are two handguns within reach and three more two steps away. It's not a bad neighborhood but the tweakers are terrible thieves.
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If legalization was the answer, they why has Amsterdam failed so badly?
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:22 AM  
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If legalization was the answer, they why has Amsterdam failed so badly?
The Netherlands Compared With The United States | Drug War Facts

has it? where does this statement come from.............

the prohibition effect is simple, do you see turf wars over cigarettes and alcohol? did we when we prohibited alcohol, prohibition makes it extremely profitable, extreme profits makes it a problem....
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