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Originally Posted by leadarrows
The largest demographic in first time gun purchases is women.
You don't like guns.....I get it so why bother knowing the truth about the subject...
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I have guns myself Lead. I totally respect sensible law abiding gun owners. I just think that some people are a bit screwy is all. I have a friend who has a heart of gold. He gave me a very nice AK 47 to add to my collection of other military weapons....here awhile back. Love this guy! But he goes around with this attitude of "Man, I wish someone would mess with me so I could kill them. Wrong attitude!
I don't believe gun control is the answer, even though I'm a liberal. I believe that even if every person was armed, you'd still have mass shootings, it's just that the people doing them would be much more cunning.
Here's some examples.....
Lakewood, Washington police officer shooting
Location
Parkland, Washington,
United States
Date
November 29, 2009
8:15 a.m. (UTC-8)
Attack type
Ambush shooting
Weapons
Glock 17 semiautomatic pistol
Deaths
4
Perpetrator
Maurice Clemmons
On Sunday, November 29, 2009, four Lakewood, Washington police officers were murdered at the former Forza Coffee Co. coffee shop, which was located at 11401 Steele Street South in the Parkland unincorporated area of Pierce County, Washington. One gunman, later identified as Maurice Clemmons, entered the coffee shop, fired at the officers as they sat working on their laptop computers preparing for their shifts, and then fled the scene.[1][2] After a two-day manhunt that spanned several cities in the Puget Sound region, the gunman was shot and killed by a Seattle Police Department officer in south Seattle after refusing orders to stop.[3]
The shooting is believed to have been a targeted attack against police officers, and came less than a month after the murder of Seattle police officer Timothy Brenton under similar circumstances nearly 40 miles (64 km) to the north. Another shooting involving Pierce County sheriff's deputies occurred three weeks after in Eatonville, on December 21, when two deputies were shot and critically injured (one later died from his injuries) by a man, who was then shot dead.[4] It is believed to be the most deadly attack on law enforcement in the state of Washington, and the deadliest attack on law enforcement in the United States since the March 21, 2009 shootings that left four Oakland, California police officers dead.[5] The four were the first Lakewood police officers to be killed in the line of duty since the department's establishment in 2004.
Although the gunman was killed by police, six other people were charged in connection with the murders. All six are friends and family of Clemmons who aided him in escaping the scene and eluding capture. One was convicted in June 2010 and was sentenced to five years' imprisonment. In December 2010, three of four accused suspects were found guilty of rendering criminal assistance.[6]
In May 2011, Darcus Allen, the getaway driver and remaining suspect, was convicted of four counts of murder and sentenced to 420 years in prison the following month.[7]
Immediately following the shootings, the Lakewood Police Independent Guild set up a memorial fund for the officers. As of 2012, about $3.2 million were donated to the fund. In March 2012, Lakewood police Officer Skeeter Timothy Manos pled guilty to using the account set up for donations as "his own personal piggy bank
Beltway sniper attacks
Locations of the fifteen sniper attacks in the D.C. area numbered chronologically.
Locations of the fifteen sniper attacks in the D.C. area numbered chronologically.
Location
Maryland, Virginia, and Washington, D.C.
Date
October 2, 2002 –
October 22, 2002 (Eastern Time Zone)
Target
Civilians
Attack type
Spree killing
Weapons
Bushmaster XM-15 rifle
Deaths
17 total:
10 in the Beltway sniper attacks
7 in preliminary shootings
Non-fatal injuries
10 total:
3 in the Beltway sniper attacks
7 in preliminary shootings
Assailants
John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo
The Beltway sniper attacks were a series of coordinated shootings that took place over three weeks in October 2002 in Maryland, Virginia, and Washington, D.C. Ten people were killed and three other victims were critically injured in several locations throughout the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area and along Interstate 95 in Virginia. The rampage was perpetrated by John Allen Muhammad (then aged 42) and Lee Boyd Malvo (then 17), driving a blue 1990 Chevrolet Caprice sedan. Their crime spree began in February 2002 with murders and robberies in the states of Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, and Washington, which resulted in seven deaths and seven injuries, bringing the total victim count to 17 deaths and 10 injuries.[1]
In September 2003, Muhammad was sentenced to death. One month later, Malvo was sentenced to six consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole. On November 10, 2009, Muhammad was executed by lethal injection at the Greensville Correctional Center near Jarratt, Virginia.
Charles Whitman
Charles Whitman (1963).jpg
Charles Whitman in 1963
Born
June 24, 1941
Lake Worth, Florida, U.S.
Died
August 1, 1966 (aged 25)
Austin, Texas, U.S.
Cause of death
Multiple shotgun wounds
(ruled as justifiable homicide)
Other names
The Texas Tower Sniper
Occupation
Former U.S. Marine
Engineering student
Spouse(s)
Kathy Leissner (m. 1962–66)
Parent(s)
Charles Adolphus "C. A." Whitman, Jr.
Margaret Whitman
Killings
Date
August 1, 1966
Family: c. 12:15 a.m. – 3:00 a.m.
Random: 11:48 a.m. – 1:24 p.m.
Location(s)
University of Texas at Austin, Texas
Target(s)
Family, students, teachers and police
Killed
16
Injured
32 (including 1 later fatality)
Weapons
Remington 700 ADL (6mm)
Universal M1 carbine
Remington Model 141 (.35-caliber)
Sears model 60 Semi-automatic shotgun (12 gauge)
S&W Model 19 (.357 Magnum)
Luger P08 (9mm)
Galesi-Brescia (.25 ACP)
Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 – August 1, 1966) was an American engineering student at the University of Texas, former U.S. Marine, and a mass murderer who killed 16 people.
In the early morning hours of August 1, 1966, Whitman murdered his wife and mother in their homes. Later that day, he brought a number of guns, including rifles, a shotgun, and handguns, to the campus of the University of Texas at Austin where, over an approximate 90 to 95 minute period, he killed 14 people and wounded 32 others in a mass shooting in and around the Tower. Whitman shot and killed three people inside the university's tower and eleven others after firing at random from the 28th-floor observation deck of the Main Building. Whitman was shot and killed by Austin police officer Houston McCoy.[1][2][3][4] Just prior to Whitman’s clock tower massacre, Richard Speck, labeled America's “first mass murderer,” killed eight student nurses in July 1966. The killings represented an unexpected type of urban terror.[5]
I believe that even if everyone was armed, you'd just see a change in tactics.
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