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Old 01-01-2011, 06:47 PM  
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Madoff vs Government

I received this e-mail from a friend.

Madoff vs Government

Oh, so true.................

So Simple a caveman could understand:

Why did Bernie Madoff go to prison? To make it simple, he talked people into investing with him. Trouble was, he didn't invest their money. As time rolled on he simply took the money from the new investors to pay off the old investors. Finally there were too many old investors and not enough money from new investors coming in to keep the payments going.

Next thing you know Madoff is one of the most hated men in America and he is off to jail. Some of you know this but not enough of you.

Madoff did to his investors what the government has been doing to us for over 70 years with Social Security. There is no meaningful difference between the two schemes, except that one was operated by a private individual who is now in jail, and the other is operated by politicians who enjoy perks, privileges and status in spite of their actions.

Do you need a side-by-side comparison here?

BERNIE MADOFF
Takes money from investors with the promise that the money will be invested and made available to them later.

SOCIAL SECURITY
Takes money from wage earners with the promise that the money will be invested in a "Trust Fund" and made available to them later.

BERNIE MADOFF
Instead of investing the money Madoff spends it on nice homes in the Hamptons and yachts.

SOCIAL SECURITY
Instead of depositing money in a Trust Fund the politicians use it for general spending and vote buying.

BERNIE MADOFF
When the time comes to pay the investors back Madoff simply uses some of the new funds from newer investors to pay back the older investors.

SOCIAL SECURITY
When benefits for older investors become due the politicians pay them with money taken from younger and newer wage earners to pay the geezers.

BERNIE MADOFF
When Madoff's scheme is discovered all hell breaks loose. New investors won't give him any more cash.

SOCIAL SECURITY
When Social Security runs out of money they simply force the taxpayers to send them some more.

Bernie Madoff is in jail.
Politicians remain in Washington ..





'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination. '
- Ronald Reagan

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert , in five
years there?d be a shortage of sand.? Milton Friedman
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:10 PM  
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There's a fundamental flaw to capitalism.

What happens when you no longer have the ability to produce?

Do you let them drag you down, or do you pay them off?
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Old 01-06-2011, 04:53 PM  
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Ponzi schemes are not a characteristic of capitalism, nor are such schemes embraced by capitalists.
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Old 01-07-2011, 04:40 PM  
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Ponzi schemes are not a characteristic of capitalism, nor are such schemes embraced by capitalists.
I was referring to the necessity of social security, and how when you can no longer produce, some accommodation must be made.
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:29 PM  
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I was referring to the necessity of social security, and how when you can no longer produce, some accommodation must be made.
I stand by my statement. And SS is a Ponzi scheme.

Capitalists prepare for their retirement by investing and storing wealth.

SS is NOT a necessity. We've been told that for some time in order that the gov't may levy a tax to fund many programs under the guise of helping us when we get older. Now, we know better.
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:27 PM  
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I'm told i won't receive any "benefits" from SS, but i still pay a lot of money into it... I wish i could opt out and put that money into something of my choosing...
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:43 PM  
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I'm told i won't receive any "benefits" from SS, but i still pay a lot of money into it... I wish i could opt out and put that money into something of my choosing...
Don't worry. I'm sure there will still be the one time payout of $500 to your family when you die, so it will all be worth it!

Come to think of it, I believe the death benefit is only $255 right now.
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:39 AM  
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I've got life insurance on me, so if I die my wife will be good finacially.... If she dies however, i'm on my own...
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Old 01-08-2011, 11:07 AM  
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Buying insurance is fine and smart, and I'm all for it (as a capitalist).

But as is the case with just about everything the government tries to do -- that is, that the results are exactly the opposite of the intended effect -- Social Security won't be coming to most of us who aren't collecting on it already. In other words, the money you have paid into the system which you could have saved or invested elsewhere will be gone and you will get nothing or you will get a token amount.
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:01 PM  
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I'm told i won't receive any "benefits" from SS, but i still pay a lot of money into it... I wish i could opt out and put that money into something of my choosing...
told....? by who

this is an over statement, I'm not saying social security doesn't need fixed but even at the current rate of income and retirement age benefits could be reduced. I don't see social security going away, the people close to retiring are amoing the people who vote the most.

it will either swing the way of the unions where the ounger members get shafted or it will swing the way of increased funding (taxes) or possibly even leaving some high income people out of payments
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