This is a good read, not what I was looking for but....
Remember, the will be plenty of 'good christians' in Hell too, plenty.
Scott
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Originally Posted by lsmurphy
The title of this forum should read-
The Condemnation of Religion and Pholosophy.
Just sayin...
Scott
I am not condemning religion, I am merely stating my opinion and personal experience with religion. It is the Christian belief that condemns all unbelievers to everlasting torment in hell. Do not take offense because I do not believe in your god and I will not take offense in the fact that you believe I will spend eternity in hell.
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"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
I am not condemning religion, I am merely stating my opinion and personal experience with religion. It is the Christian belief that condemns all unbelievers to everlasting torment in hell. Do not take offense because I do not believe in your god and I will not take offense in the fact that you believe I will spend eternity in hell.
Not all Christians are that way in all fairness; many of them are quite secular...........just like not all Muslims are Islamists.
I am not condemning religion, I am merely stating my opinion and personal experience with religion. It is the Christian belief that condemns all unbelievers to everlasting torment in hell. Do not take offense because I do not believe in your god and I will not take offense in the fact that you believe I will spend eternity in hell.
It is not Christians that condemn, it is God that condemns.
BTW, it is not me that is offended, it is God that one has to concern himself with.
Scott
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From Cracker to Hillbilly......culture shock!
That is for God (in all of its manifestations) for decide who is saved; not you or me.
Untrue.
John 15:2
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
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Every branch in me - Everyone that is a true follower of me, that is united to me by faith, and that truly derives grace and strength from me, as the branch does from the vine. The word "branch" includes all the boughs, and the smallest tendrils that shoot out from the parent stalk. Jesus here says that he sustains the same relation to his disciples that a parent stalk does to the branches; but this does not denote any physical or incomprehensible union. It is a union formed by believing on him; resulting from our feeling our dependence on him and our need of him; from embracing him as our Saviour, Redeemer, and Friend. We become united to him in all our interests, and have common feelings, common desires, and a common destiny with him. We seek the same objects, are willing to encounter the same trials, contempt, persecution, and want, and are desirous that his God shall be ours, and his eternal abode ours. It is a union of friendship, of love, and of dependence; a union of weakness with strength; of imperfection with perfection; of a dying nature with a living Saviour; of a lost sinner with an unchanging Friend and Redeemer. It is the most tender and interesting of all relations, but not more mysterious or more physical than the union of parent and child, of husband and wife Ephesians 5:23, or friend and friend.
That beareth not fruit - As the vinedresser will remove all branches that are dead or that bear no fruit, so will God take from his church all professed Christians who give no evidence by their lives that they are truly united to the Lord Jesus. He here refers to such cases as that of Judas, the apostatizing disciples, and all false and merely nominal Christians (Dr. Adam Clarke).
He taketh away - The vine-dresser cuts it off. God removes such in various ways: 1. by the discipline of the church. 2. by suffering them to fall into temptation. 3. by persecution and tribulation, by the deceitfulness of riches, and by the cares of the world Matthew 13:21-22; by suffering the man to be placed in such circumstances as Judas, Achan, and Ananias were such as to show what they were, to bring their characters fairly out, and to let it be seen that they had no true love to God. 4. by death, for God has power thus at any moment to remove unprofitable branches from the church.
One of the Gifts of the Spirit is that of 'discernment', this is one of my gifts. I clearly understand that I have not the right nor the power to sit in judgement of others (souls), that is God's. However, God, through the Spirit has given the 'saved' the ability to discern between the saved and the unsaved, this protects us from false prophets.
There are only three manifestations of God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Scott
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From Cracker to Hillbilly......culture shock!
While we're talking about avatars, did you know your Southern Cross flag is used by such racist groups as Neo-Nazi's, Ku Klux Clan, and occasionally by the Aryan Brotherhood, and is generally viewed as a sign of racism? It was actually removed from the South Carolina capitol building, including many major schools, because of this symbolism.
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I have no personal or professional or church related experience with you.....or is this just a trick question?
I will say though....your avatar....the sign means....horns of the Devil...or...as I have come to know it, 'bull****'.
It's your avatar.
Scott
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A rather illustrative sign for "bull****" uses both arms held out, elbows bent, and folded in front of the signer with the dominant forearm on top. The dominant hand mimics a pair of horns with the index and pinkie finger. The non-dominant hand mimics the "business end" with flapping fingers. However, this sign is not considered part of ASL, but rather invented by hearing people. This sign has been changed, now with both the pointer and pinkie finger being extended and thrusting the hand forward to signify "bull****" doing the former sign is not taken seriously in the Deaf community
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